Indy500; your going in the right direction. Pick a buddy or buddies ( you can trust ) in another part of the country who also has his or their own market, but has access to different mushrooms than you. You can ship your mushrooms back and forth to each other. If you both are picking most of your own you can sell for less than the big Companies and still make a big profit . You don't need to know Spanish either and you are lining your pocket not someone elses. This is one way that works. I know. There are other ways out there if a person decides to act instead of talking.
"Truffle Dog I vote you for president of the american mushroom harvesters association! well said and well done." ( + 1)
TK couldnt agree more go down there and you have to know spanish or your screwed here we put it on every label talk about enabling a problem! indy 500 also agree love stoping at mom and pop stores to spend my money the danm waltons are worth billions already. hope every one has a good new year! any time phantom most pickers now days missed the haydays so they really have no idea what really took place and how it went down hill. happy newyear!
Maybe some one should learn Spanish and educate the crews with all the wisdom that is posted in English on this board! I don't think we can stop them from picking for pennies! They are slowly taking over large sectors of our occupations! What really gets me is when I use the phone and am asked to press 1 for English! Its sad to say, but it may be to late already!
Its not rocket science ppl. The same thing that has made the mush picking scene less than desireable is the same thing that has made all food systems undesireable... hyper capitalism. Huge crews, large buyers that buy for one puppetmaster, consolidation at all levels. You want to fight it? Find your own markets and be your own system. Do not be a part of the larger systems. Don't shop at walmart shop at your farmers market. if you are not willing to step out, STFU and get out of the way...
Crescent Shroom, Thank you for a word on C.C.Mushroom's. Most people don't give a Dime about the past and why. Most just B-tch and leave it as it is. Thanks again "Phantom"
" Seasons Greetings and the Best of the New year " To you Matsiman , Woofer , and all the rest of you Mushroomers out there. I come on this site maybe half a dozen times a year. It hasn't changed. I hope this next year there will be something more of value donated by the pickers. eg. Ideas on how we can improve the market . Even if one idea is just a myth , but , when a bunch of people add a little to the myth ; Its not a myth anymore . It becomes reality and is workable. I am definitly not talking union . There are ways around the buyers . There are ways around a union . Without you " Pickers " The Buyers ,and the Companies, would not exist . LETS, see what we can do in the new year. You all are a special brand of people. You gonna let a brick wall get in your way. I haven't. Thanks to Matsiman we have this board to work with. Happy New Year " Pickers "
whoever doesnt beleive phantom writer that gary smith and matt ruined the market by bringing in crews go back to his national geographic interview crescent lake junction in the early 90's were he said "90% of the mushrooms would rot, they would flat out rot" gary smiths own words stood right there and listened to it, gary smith i would have 90% of my patches left if it wasnt for your crews! after that people got there own brokers to sell and now the market is flooded with brokers, establishing one right now through my uncle if so i will pay $10 for 1's and 2's everyday of the matsi season next year never below that. so lets hope it all goes through!
Hi there still have some dried burn morels from 2010 brookmere fire, merritt BC. These mushrooms havebeen properly dried and stored and are loolin for a buyer 2 the out of season rates for greys and black morells mixed. my email and phone # is 250-378-6144 email me 2 firstname.lastname@example.org
Carla: I remember one year in Brookings we were bringing in about 20% of the total at the store. All the buyers were running out to the crews (getting less than us) and giving them gas money, carrying their mushroom, etc. I called some of the companies up and got the crew treatment once the next night, then it was back to normal! Carla--I was speaking in general about the practice, as I said. Some of the high-volume pickers you are talking about--the ones from down south of the Rio Grande--are actually 4-5 (or more pickers). Just like the people who bring you huckleberries--two come in, I see 10 out with them in the County Forest. We just saw a bunch using a tree-planting crew van that way on chanties--one comes in to sell. 75% of what was out there was crap this year in chanties. Yes, there are some good chanties--with the low price from the bad ones the cost of the gas wipes out any chance of profit to the extent that one could pay basic expenses. (This problem will get much worse next year if gas hits $4-$5.) I was inland and there are a couple of picker pairs getting nice stuff and doing well. There are many more people (of the chantie pickers) coming with a half tray of waterlogged stuff. I said the lobsters were less wormy than usual down South because of the late year--normally that's not the case. As for coddling of crews by buyers, I neglected to mention L.B.'s purchase of $10,000 worth of matsi permits on the dunes for 10 of our southern neighbors this season. I also once caught a female buyer near you (not "dog buyer"--I just never caught her doing it although I'm positive she does) paying more "dinero" to crews than she was paying us. Took my mushrooms back from her and sold them to old Dick just before he passed away. He almost fell off his chair because they were so nice.
Truffle Dog I vote you for president of the american mushroom harvesters association! well said and well done.
YES Yes ... a merry Christmas to you "Duncan in da burgh" and all other pickers, explorers, buyers and whiners too. Where would the world be without fungi....... another Morel season is just around the corner.... Dry Dry Dry
Hi all, Merry christmas to one and all. Sorry it has been a long time for me to write about nothing here. Snowed last night so the morels r now asleep under a snow blanket! Here's hoping all will have full baskets this up coming new year! duncan in da burgh!
hahaha... I'm fully integrated... verticle marketed, so to speak. I know the retail prices and I pick as well. I've found my own markets and I'm a small guy... but I know the big guys too. Record profits! not hard to fugure... turn on the TV... what do you see? Cooking shows... real food is popular... but I'm also privy to a few guys bottom linez.. for most mush, the price is up in the retail markets... and the price is down at the buying stations... not hard to figure out where the money is going... to your puppet masterz, carla, thats where... fine by me... when I pay $8/lb for August chants... I'm the big man on campus! I take care of my pickerz... learn the truth ppl... merry christmas
AMEN! MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
Geopora is ok, but doesn't really have that truffle nose. Good year for Tuber oregonense. Medium/poor year for Leucangium spp. Some areas have better quantities than others. I couldn't give a truffle away when I started selling them, there were only a few buyers and they were tight. Oregon truffles did not "exist." There are so many chanty pickers trying to be truffle digger now that it is tragic. Many "non-union" truffle diggers are almost willing to pay the buyer to dig the past several years, no matter how the crop is, just to have an outlet. The mentality of, "If we can prove we can do it at $10 a pound then we will get a contract next season for $60," is really appreciated by the companies. It is just like any other labor, prove you can do it for $10 and you will do it for $10 until someone comes along that only needs a bag and gas money and can do it for $5. That is what undercutting does. How much is the labor cost in a pair of Levis now? Which slaves get to manufacture them? Rules to follow to pay your mortgage: If you don't have your mushrooms sold, don't collect them. Don't be a dumping scab. Make your own markets. If you don't make your own markets but are willing to under cut other collectors in their markets, then you are scab labor.
Hi TK, It is not easy to sell a wild mushroom at all. I actually tried to sell dried Product on my website before and at 20.00 a pound... no one bought.... I finally gave up the cart application because it cost so much...lol Merry Christmas guys!
'A'; Yes we had a few scattered showers here in SW Arizona and then there was a heavy rain yesterday from 4:30pm to 7:00pm but the sky cleared and the moon shone bright as did the sun all day today. The bad storm was in SoCal and mostly swung north, it has been nice here in the land of wet-&-shiny gems. Today I chased chalcedony roses (google it) because the fresh rain makes them stand out to be collected. It is 8;55pm and down to 45.1 F degrees where I am camped for the night.
I know what I was paid for MY mushrooms, $1.00 for yellowfeet, $1.00 for hogs and sweet tooth, $2.00 for chanterell and $2.50 for blacks! Then you couldn't sell a mushroom! Unless you would sell your stuff for half that price! It was all very interesting though!
Google wild mushroom prices! You'll be amazed! Must really be a big overhead for the brokers and buyers!
"2.50 may sound low but these regular pickers who know the ropes out there are making 150-200 a day". 150 / $2.50= 60 lbs. Buyer commission 60 x 2.00 lb (apx)=$120.00 $120 x ? sellers=big money ?.No? OR 60lbs x .50 per lb =$30.00. $30.00 x 10 good pickers= : )
How interesting to see buyers pointing the finger at pickers and vicea versa! Everyone is being defencive, solutions have been given but no one seems to care! I've seen the buyers keep buying the crap at a reduced price, all of them. Then the price starts dropping because they bought to much of it. Go figure!
Lone CactusMorel, I warn you that something would happen to you are around you for going out in the the dark of a full moon. so Now how is the RAIN,RAIN,and more RAIN. You were Warn!!.
T-dog how was to year for you. I just like to say your truffle year should be a really hot if what I have seen this last fall. I like the fuzzy truffle and I have found more of them this year then the last five years put together. I believe, if I found that many of them then the truffle season should be terrific. What do you think?
I think your both right, but put the blame where it belong's. Gary Smith, to start with whom was the one that ask Matt Breggs (if I miss spell has name let me know) from Cascades Mushroom's, if he could set up a crew of A..... to work for him and most of you know the story after that. We did have a very good markit back then. There are some people that well say what I'am telling you is not true only because, there good friend's with matt. (Sorry Matt.)
ShroomerTom knows his stuff, never met him. Carla knows her stuff, never met her. I have spoken with both on the phone, but Tom probably wouldn't remember as it was a decade ago. Please continue as it is the Festivus Season. You are both correct. Perhaps with the airing of grievences will come a new clarity of thought. Thank you for the info over the years Tom. You have made me money. It makes me happy knowing that there really is another guy out there observing this whole mess and coming up with the answers that I am. Thanks for the help Carla, twice now, you guys saved my butt. I pray for your speedy recovery.
Last day for Matsi's in Willits - $14 14 6 1. It was a below average year in volume, primarily due to the low starting prices paid to mostly local private landowners.
yes, the fact is if you pick without your own market then you get paid nothing. you essentially endorse the big boys making the money while you starve. why the hell would they care? quit selling to "buyers", quit picking, and get real jobs! or....do the damn marketing..it isnt hard..sell em!!!!!
Well said Shroomertom
I can barely afford my own gas let alone try to pay for pickers gas too...I hate when pickers come in and try to get gas money from me because I may be able to give it to one or two but I will NOT do it, because I can't afford to give it to all. I have no idea where people are picking These days and or selling but we opened up at 2.50 for 2 days until the snow storm hit Europe and the airports were closed to incoming flights.... 2.50 may sound low but these regular pickers who know the ropes out there are making 150-200 a day. For some reason there is always this idea that if a picker is bringing in BIG VOLUME then they MUST be picking a bunch of crap.... Not True!! As for the lobster crop this year it was amazingly NON wormy, so any buyer who managed to get a charge back from wormies..lol If prices are too low to make any money for pickers then it is their choice to either starve or get a different job... The brokers will only pay what they can afford to and still make their own money, if there is no market to sell to then they have to close down their buyers and or buy at such low prices that they can afford the shrink and waste and still make a profit. I seem to hear a lot of talk about the low volume pickers getting "quality" need to get paid as much as the ones with large volume... Why? Can someone please explain to me why the guys who spent the previous days pay on Booze and smokes and got up at noon and beat me to the buy station expect to be paid more for their mushrooms because they have "quality" and it takes a while to pick "quality". The guys making the big bucks are the ones who got up before the sun and beat others to the good patches and if the early birds were there later on they would see the same "quality" coming in from the big pickers too... Truthfully later on in the evening is when I see the best mushrooms...
Carla: The flushes of the 1990s were vastly better than this year. So was 2001-2004. This year there were only seemingly a lot because the rotgut prices made it uneconomical to pick and fewer regulars were picking. I'm not singling you out in particular, because most of the buyers are doing in, but this business has some serious inequity in it. This is discouraging skilled pickers in favor of unskilled "slaughterhouse" crew pickers. (I know, commissions are based on volume.) When diversity is gone from the business, they won't need buyers either--less middle men can deal directly with crew bosses. Many mushrooms went bad this year--some of these were purchased. I don't pick stuff like that. And when I come in with good stuff, I'm expected to pick up the loss. (Like one company owner screaming at me about why I should take $1.25 for good chanties at the end of December and the 50,000 pounds of chanties rotting in his cooler. I didn't sell him those.) Likewise, when I bring in boletes they all get cut, but some pickers (H.D.) get to sell whole ones--and then I have to eat the loss and get $2 less because someone got a bunch of wormies and got chargebacks. Or when tons of crappy lobsters get bought early in the season, and I have to take a buck for good late ones because they have to make up the losses on the early ones. (OK, this year the southern lobsters were better than normal. But I'm speaking of the past several years.) Or when tons of early wormy matsi are purchased just to keep Asian crews out picking. And then we have to eat it for the rest of the season to make up the company losses. (We once replanted hundreds of rejected wormy flags at Mt. Thielsen overlook and then told the Asians. They picked them all and managed to sell about half!) And I can count on one hand the times I've gotten gas money frequently given as a matter of course to Asian and Mexican crews. And certainly never the "head man fees" regularly given to the Asian crews--many of which (as you probably know) are on welfare in various states. People need to put their foot down and refuse to sell good stuff for the same price as crap. And if one group is going to get gas money everyone should. And stop picking when you are getting paid less than it costs you to pick (50 cents a mile is bottom line to run a car with depreciation). If you pick 50 pounds of chanties for a 75-cents a pound and drive 50 miles you worked all day for $12...about $1.50 an hour!!! Etc., etc.
I just got home last night from Brookings, after two weeks its good to be back in Tacoma! It was the first time I've picked winter mushrooms, and it was an interesting trip. I learnd some good patchs and met some good people, didn't make any money but had a good time anyway! I have blacks, hogs and sweet tooth to share with family and friends and that is cool with me!
Time out 9:21
Lone Cactus Morel, If you didn't see the moon last night then you well never see one again,The last time the total eclipse happen on a full-moon and on the winter solstice was the year 1926. So if you want to try and see this next time,it may well be the year 2094 and you best find a way to live longer tell then. lol......
looking to buy small quantities of high quality dried chanterelle, lobster, pine, anything other than morels. maybe a lb. or 2 of each. preferably in victoria area. 250-590-1629.
Hi Indy. Who is your company? I only know of 4 brokerage companies that can semi handle the volume that my buy station is capable of bringing in. The sheer volume of mushrooms in my buy station alone this year was overwhelming, this is the greatest flush year many pickers have ever seen.
They are doing Okay Matisman but we haven't been buying the winter crop so there could be a better crop than I know of...Maybe we can hook up for some coffee :-)
Well said Carla........................
Hey Carla, I'll be in Port Orford the 23rd to pick for fun. How are the winter mushrooms doing over that way? Later, Matsiman
Hey there, i know theres at least one person here, on the east coast i think, that does some somewhat large scale cultivation. Could you drop me a line at creekfreak71atyahoodotcom thanks. Just a few questions.
Carla: You haven't a clue
Hey Carla how about I pay you $1 more for mush than your broker does? That way you can pay your pickers better?
The sky was basically clear today but has clouded up so much tonight that I doubt I will see the eclipse from my current Sonora Desert location, perhaps I should have stayed down at the hot springs for a few more days http://matsiman.com/messages/buyerpickermessagesU.htm
Hi JJJJ, I know for a FACT that I have a huge air compressor and 12 cleaning stations in my buy station... Guess what.... The economy still sucks! Quit blaming the buyers for prices and start getting all your friends to buy Wild Mushrooms. Or even better yet, you buy 1000 plus pounds a day in December when people do NOT go out to eat and YOU find a market for them so that the pickers get paid better! Merry Christmas :-)
I came south to hunt cactus morels under the full moon and no eclipse is going to stop me as long as my headlamp works... lol
After reading a past post of the prices in Brookings I got to say the prices are fare. If the buyers wouldn't buy dirty mushrooms the price would be higher in the field. None of the buyers even use air. They don't enforce the pickers to pick clean, therefore enjoy the low prices cause they are not going to go up.
Well, there lone cactus morel, I well not say a word on where your Hot Spring are and what cactus morel's are, but it well coast you !!. You have a Happy Cactus Holiday and I hope to see your Cactus Christmas Tree with light's and dingo jingo jingo bells ring out at night. Shining like Cactus star's on a full moon at night. So you best take you dip in you hot springs, just before the full total eclipse of the moon (at 10:32 p.m.) it begins Monday night . You must "beware" of a total, total darkness (at 11:40 p.m.). There well be 2 hour and 24 Min's before the full moon returns, that is the time you must not look for them in the dark. If you do, you well never return to the lite on the full moon night.
Cactus Morels are such when they are growing next to cactus, at least in my opinion ..... formerly documented in Texas and ..... shush, don't be telling all the secrets. ........ Visit the Matsiman Message Board & Forum for your Merry Morel Christmas card. ..... http://matsiman.com/messages/buyerpickermessagesU.htm
In Brookings: On average - Hogs, Chanterelles and Yellow Feet @ $1. Blacks @ $2.50. In Willits: Flush is ending @ $10 10 4 1.
hey there shroomy folk., I did strike out ., some chanties and slipery jacks .,, that was the action., however is disconcerning that that fellow dietmar is missing., damn no shit ., you can't ever take for granted been out hunting., anyone could perhaps become the meal , be cautious fellows , don't know what to say ain't greetings when a fellow shroomer is missing
I hope all of you have a very happy holiday season :>)
Prices in brookingsd anyone?
There grow on cactus and only come out at night when the moon is full. Frist you must take a dip in a hot spring to clean yourself before you go out on the full Moon are there well sniff you coming there and run away.
YES!!... lone lobo, what are cactus morels?? Dry morels with prickles?
Lone Lobo what are cactus morels? Have you been doing good with your gold searches?
Ooh No Fair! You got Hot Springs!
To all those fungi friends out there, have a warm and safe holiday season.
I hear ya Carla but did not know where to find a Kmart and I was looking for bulk Brazil nuts for their antioxidant properties ..... out here in the pucker-brush the selection is limited to my favorite Mom & Pop type of stores ..... but I was in Yuma that day and do not know the town all that well, I found a WalMart that had good internet reception and space to park in the shade. ..... It has been in the 80's and the only laborers I see here are the ones cultivating the fresh produce fields ..... us non-laborers spend much of the day soaking in the hot springs like good SnowBirds should.
The consumer sets the retail price and the wholesale price to some degree. But there is leeway in there. Your bosses tell you what price to pay. And like someone else said, there is a difference between price and total cost of ownership. The lowest price is usually not the best value. Educate yourself and stop listening to wall st. It is not the way of the world. Perhaps your world because that is all you know. I pay my my pickers better because I have my own markets.
I like to shop where they mushrooms do all the work and only best and cleaner one's get payed the higher wage. I would never higher a dirt bag worker to make a bayer happy. If only they would just learn to pick the best man and clean them up to look like they did when picking them from the low land's.
I hear yah Lobo! I use Kmart instead though because they don't use child labor as a routine....
I shop at that stores with the best value for my money. They are not necessarily the stores with the cheapest goods. Quality products sometimes cost a bit more initially, but using quality products pays off over time.
I am still hanging out down in the land of Cactus Morels, parked in one of the WalMart parking lots. CARLA; I am going to spend some of my thin dollars here to keep the big chain afloat, lol. If I had dollars to burn then yes I would be able to spread the wealth but poor folk have poor ways. ........ PineKing, as I see it the law of supply and demand is what keeps the skids greased, I sold #6 matsi for as much as $10.00 per pound this fall at the same time that buyers refused to purchase the low grade, if the chef wants it then you have created your own market niche. ......... AUGUST, I am going out to look for some cactus morels, gold and gems again this week, I like that "Cactus Goldgem" name.
Hey Indy the consumer does. I will be perfectly honest when I say I always go to the the store with the lowest price.... Does anyone in their right mind say to themselves that they are gonna go to the store with the highest prices because then the workers get a better price...It may not be fair but it is the way of the world... sigh
Pine King, Your right and as fare as japanese go they need to allow the U.S. into there market without the Joe's running the the small broker's out of the market. they have there cutthroat's and we also have ares that just won't you and I to pick for pennies. It is sad to say how it's turn out over the last 35 years and thank's to Gary Smith and Matt (of Cascade Mushrooms)for allowing him to use a crews to work for them and Matt going on T.V. new's early 80's and crying about no one was picking and they needed more people in the field.
show me the money: There needs to be MORE buyers,MORE brokers who can get into Japan. The old days were great because there were lots of cutthroat brokers all trying to make more money than the other guy. Its called competition. We need more brokers to set up stations all over the countryside so the pickers have CHOICE!! I don`t know what you have seen, but i saw brokers over the last 25 years drop like flies, the ones who stayed in the game are the ones everyone hates now (the joes) They are the way they are because they are the only game in town and can do what ever they want. If they had competition, they wouldn`t be playing the games they are playing. We need the players we used to have to get things back on track and get a more realistic price for the work we do. Bitch about (the joes) as much as you want, but it will make no difference. They are the only ones at the top of the food chain so they control all with all their greed. We need more buyers, buying for other players to bring (the joes) back to reality
Show me the money... what we need is buyers and pickerz w/higher IQs...
Carla, who chooses the price?
buyer 41 sorry but to many buyer's and not much money in this market like the old day's. what we need is less picker's and then less buyer's and then maybe the money my flow into Joe's pocket and then and only then would we understand why people like you won't to buy for less.
RE: Dietmar he is a missing person on police file.no body found a yet,
Hi Buyer 41, you will soon find out that the buyer doesn't choose his her own price...
crap. he invited us to visit him in mex. is he just awol or has he been reported missing?
Anyone interesting joining me matutake foray at the Mendocino area during the month of January or early part of February. Please contact to email@example.com.....will share the expenses, hotel, gas etc., Prefer starting with from Vancouver, BC. Anzutake
re; dietmar, he is missing, did not make his flight to mexico, his camper van has been found near prince george.
would like to start buying mushrooms next year in Randle packwood area local pickers there need to get fairer prices for thier picking anyone which could help me get a start pleae call me i have a tent and space to buy at please call me at 360-496-8878
prices,no market right now for hedgehogs and yellowfeet chantrelles are 2.00 for wet and 2.50 for paper dryed in saginaw
deitmar is from pr. george bc. call infomation ,maybe they can help ya.
Looks like I'll head toward Brooking's soon, no work to be had here in Tacoma for a 51 year old heavy equipment operator of thirty years. So I'll do the only other thing I can that pays better than LaborReady, at least I enjoy being cold and wet in the woods! It's not over for this die hard yet! Looking forward to meeting new people and seeing new places.
Does anyone know what the buyers around Eugene are paying for hogs, yellowfeet, and Chantrelles?
Hey everyone, I'm trying to get in touch with a mushroom picker named Deitmar, who spends his winters in mexico. He is approximately 80 years old, but can outhike most twenty year olds. If anyone has a contact number for him it would be appreciated. He does morels and pines in B.C. thru Saskatchewan. thanks.
Hello Lobo.,greetings to you my friend., unfortunately 000.%% rain ,lots of wind an dust at lower elevations ,however if it rains I will check some scrub land fires, hope you have better luck., keep safe an in good health., kind regards Leo.
forest harvest; have you seen any morels yet? It otter be merkle season down there about now... still hunting for early cactus morels up here.
Hey there mushroom clan ., I was matsie hunting on the Central Mexico mountains. it's an amazing place, since the forests are only at the very top of the mountains an are maintained by fog and mist , by 4 in the afternoon I need to head back from the mountains., by then the fog is starting to get really thick , don't want to drive down the mountains when is dark and foggy., crazy curves and cliffs, however ; the hills of the mountains are desert and scrub land , it is really an outstanding place. no luck so far, however I'm going back next week ., I'll be tickled pink if I find matsies , I'll be sure to post pictures of them , damn I will be bragging about it for a Year!!
Thanks for the update mothersown!! everyone have a good weekend!
crescent shroomer - Nice flush starting in Willits, a bit late but should be in full bloom by the end of next week. 3 buyers currently paying 12/12/6 for about 300lbs a night.
crescent shroomer, A few buttons found at lower elevations by locals. Not much going on. Price was 17. Later, Matsiman
Anyone know if the snow/cold killed the matsi's off in cave juntion? is it dead or picking getting better. report on willits ca.? anyone pick matsi's there anymore or just blacks?
Are thing's so slow that we play guessing games with names? Most of us already know! Should I change mine?
Carla, bring me my cup of your mud coffee?
HaHa, I got my muddy stuff right here! ;-)
What is the going price for dryed Chanty's are what should I ask for them? and I also have dryed matsi!
hey anybody know where to sell dried morels
I need some mud coffee Carla!
Anyone know the price of and where to sell dry chag.I have lots with no one to sell to. firstname.lastname@example.org
hello everybody my comments about greedy buyers was not directed to any one person.. i know quite a few buyers and i am good friends with most of them i get kind of bummed the prices get so low your lucky to make $20 after expenses $1.50 for chantrells $2.50 for blacks most buyers wont even buy blacks $ 2 or $3 for hogs im mostly picking for fun and food. happy trails.........
Quiet....? After....? Yes, Merry Christmas!!
I knew the board would quiten down after pine season, I want to wish each and all of you, Happy Dreams this Holiday Season!!!