I have some places were the grow high up like around 4500' to 5500' would this be high elevation ? or is this to low. What ever it is, I do find some very good patches at this elevation and there peach chanteys. I aways get what I ask for in price and they know it well be fresh. Randy,I was asking about your weather and to find out what its going to be a good year for the pines where your picker do to so much rain out there.! Maybe I should ask this question after your season is over and hope you and duncan have a good season. By the way I'll be doing a nether for Chris this fall. I would like to see some pics of your camp. Bucketstogo
Tinker... I kinda like the real world... lol... ya onece a picker always a picker but not always a picker/seller. my way my time or its "find and pick ur own" lol
Wild bill.... I nvr found any high mountain chanties, but have picked and hiked many a high mountain. chanties as you know are found at lower elevation where its wetter. Here we are getting 10-20$/lb for chants. Of course some offer less but they cant have what I have to offer. I know a fair amount are coming outta Quebec for 30/kg (too cheap for whats out there) Im in a kinda interesting position as I dont count on mushrooms so if the $$ are not there i dont bother.. too simple
Kingmorel,if you wrote a book,you would never want to read it,trust me! It sucks to have to live in the real world doesn't it?Once a mushroom picker,always a mushroom picker.lol
Whats the current price for high mountain chantties and is anybody really bringing any volume or is it bs. gracias.
I'll ask again just because... Does anyone have any info on the James Bay matsi pick?
A" Its been hot and dry where Ducan lives but he is been pickin with me up here... Its been a very cool spring and summer with lots of rain. Its diferent here than the west coast as we get some sun almost daily but crzy thunder storms that pass by and the sun comes back out. Bugs are very bad with all types at once... day time its deer flies and black flies... evening is no see ums and mosquitoes...oh ya and ticks...btw what do any of us really know and what does it really matter anyway. think i'll write a book and read it myself ;) ... hope you have a great season and prices work 4 u... peace brother.
Would like to contact the women who was camped out in the free campsite in Kitwanga about five years .Friend of Tommy and unfortunitlely who's companion passed away.She was a friend of Alice C. at the time.Signed kiss me.
On the mushroom cultivation issue...I just harvested oyster mushrooms. The bags were colonized for 20 days in the dark in a room that at times was 39 degrees C can you believe that!!! a really good seed indeed. I used straw, pasteurized by submerging it in 60 degree water for 30 min. Then cooled off and mixed with the oyster seedn (mycelia) Now they are poppin 27 days later. Sport
Duncan,by the time you read this it may be saturday morning. How has the weather been there all-summer, I do believe if it been wet all summer you may not fine many Matsi this fall and if there has been no Hot weather for any leak of time but then what do I know about Pine's,hmmmm.
srry about the dis-jointed sentences. im in a hurry.. too bloody busy
Andy... good to see you laughing.... most things will die without oxygen when submerged in water... thats where soil aggrigate comes in (drainage rate) this flow of water (rain) carries oxygen and nitrogen plus many acids from overhead plants... the drip lines around host trees and shrubs are a targeted matsi beds. In the end too much of a good thing and becomes a bad thing... good picking everyone.... im off to our other store then back to pick a truck load of lobster and chants. peace
Hey Matsiman! How goes the studies? Hoping to find my first matsi this comming august in toronto if things go well. Looking like a road trip might be happening for me this sept to pick matsi's in B.C. Just have to keep an eye to the sky and an ear to the ground to hear them growing! Anyway I wont be alone this road trip unlike my journey to the yukon to pick burn site morels of a few years ago. Oh on that note Looking like I will be picking some fires in northern b.c./yukon in 2010. Bad news about the fire damage but some great picking locations are now in the works! duncan aka (gi george) peace out! safe picking all and yes I can back Kingmorel up on the $22 usd for lobsters cause I am delivering them today!
Fiddlehead Heaven, What happens if you soak the cakes in lets say 72 degree water, and don't cool the mass? How's fruiting then? Or, don't soak, lower temps as described. How's fruiting then? Later, Matsiman
Hey fiddlehead heaven, i dont want to get myself in trouble but there is alot more steps involved with growing edible mushrooms and other species. like processing the grains, sanatizing of the jars so the myceilum has a chance to grow. proper innoculating the spore material into the colonizing jars, proper processing of the bulk substrate. i could go on but I think u see my point. Growing mushrooms is a process not a toss this in that jar and then u get mushrooms. Ps. no need to drop your cakes to 37F a drop in temp to 65 will cause pin setting once mixed into the bulk substrate. Oh course I left a lot of info out here but u get the idea I have been cultivating for many years. Oysters, shiitake, maitake, and even into shaggy manes. Not to mention I have a clean spore speciem of a fire morel which has been put down til I have a better grow tek to make them happen. But oysters and a few others dont need to go to 86F for colonizing the grain. What tek to u use? Hit me back. this isnt ment to be a slam so dont take it that way.
Some great reading & posts here guys! It's been a tough spring here on the east coast as well, too much rain. And "A" is right about the Lobsters, high temps are needed to get the molds going. We just had a few hot days here & just in time as the white Russulas and white Lactarius are just starting to show here and there. I don't like seeing too many whites showing which means poor infestation by the parasite in that area. And maybe to give a little more insight as to the process for growing mushrooms, this is how it goe's After inoculating jars with spore, a period of 27 to 30 days is needed at a temp of no less than 86 degrees for the mycelium to fully engulf the jars (also jars must be kept in a dark place) When finished, the cakes ( mycelium mass) are then immersed in cold water and then stored in the fridge or other cold space for 12 to 24 hours thus lowering the temp from 86 F to 37 f . After this cold dunk, the cakes are then either broken up into layers of prepared straw and composted poos, or just set into containers as they are at a constant temp. of 74f with constant humidity is kept at 95 to form the mushrooms. After each flush, the same process is repeated with the cold dunk for the 12 to 24 hours to induce another flush. Each flush comes and goes within seven to ten days for most varieties. You can flush up to three times using this method. Hey Leo, good to hear about your second flush of Chanties. Dwight in New Brunswick
kingmorel, DUCKS DRINK WATER, LOL. Yea but they don't
absorb it through their skin of feathers.
Wild bill, Morels a a different animal. Not up on them, but I have heard from reliable sources, morels do need moisture in the formation stage.
Another goodie to add to the ring, matsi mycelia dies out with moisture levels above 36% for a prolong period. This information comes from a Japanese text book used in schools. later, Matsiman
Wild bill... I spent 20 yrs without water... drank only beer and Rum...lol ... I do believe mushroom spore can survive without water. in some cases for thousands of yrs.
Tinker... lol i was known to be involved in both.... but nowadays i keep to the price wars only..... getting too old for the other... adrenaline dont feel so good anymore...Wild bill.... thats why some morel cells can have 9 nucleus... I wonder if the hyphae are hydrophobic as well?
And NOTHING can live without water....including matsi mycelium...
Ahead of the pack,everyone is entitled to thier own opinion.It was the way you chose to express yourself that raised some hackles.It's great when we can share ideas without insulting one another...Kingmorel,I used to like the fights.Especially when it involved price wars! :)
While the mycelium may be hydrophobic (you got it correct) i can assure you, and from what i think youre saying you agree, the primordia are not. Not to confuse the debate or compare species needs, but morels grow thru cellular expansion vs division and require moisture for growth.
water runs off a duck's back but the duck still drinks... I would question that study as there are so many variables... valueable data but incomplete to convince me.... but go ahead a stick that fork in me...lol maybe the worms play a vital role as well..... go figure.....
Tinker.... ya I remember those very wet summers when the matsi just nvr came. we should have used Andy's model to predict our future.... could of saved alot of mosquitoe bites ;) and a few fights as well. I hope we get a fair price this yr. and let the crop take care of volumes all by itself.... Does anyone have any info on the James Bay pick? matsutake marketed thru a Quebec company? I hear they are very fair but a tight group....
Andy.. ya up to my butt in teak but i needed to get away from it for a bit..bizz is booming........ I hope they nvr figure out what will make all those babies to grow. it would really finish us of then...all that would be needed is to put a fork in us... lol..... One thing i have noticed is if there is a big weather change then they will most likely stall and abort. Something I need to ask... I thought that the fungi collected water for the trees as well as food that the tree can use. I was also told that fungi could do so from sometime large distances thus helping those cliff side trees a chance to survive, as the trees roots are a long way from any water source. If what you say is true it puts a very dif. swing on things. and ya oh for a perfect set of conditions... can you say 25 cents a lb....
Aheadof the pack ... if any of us had all the answers then everyone would be out to get that person.... seems to be the nature of so many pickers...I have been thru 3 more new autos since that Suzuki... lol... Do you remember the day i found a blow up doll in the patch and brought it back to nass camp and hung it off Jimmy too's van.... all night in the bar everyone was laughing at him but he did not know why... he was getting right pissed b4 someone told him... ha ha ... plz understand that many here are gun shy as we have seen too many wars created by single brain celled low lifes and we tend to be rather definsive when it concerns Andy (we dont want to lose this site) On the rain issue it may have something to do with soil aggregate or drain rate. Patches north of 49 tend to have much coarser soils..excepting lava soils. Here its very wet and cool and where i pick its sand soil lobster everywhere as well as chanties.... plan to load up this week... sold some lobster mushrooms for 22 usd/lb. today. life is good
Rain was my point Randy!Thx for agreeing...I remember your black Suzuki suv....more than 15 yrs ago in Oregon.I also quit full time years ago....saw writing on the wall!You'll remember Jimmy Too picking the 4th of July one year in Nass and right through October.Remember the rainy summer they had????That IS my point....yeah there are other factors like TOO much rain....tooo much heat!!and others.No chanties in CR...then a monsoon in december will not bring on a big crop of chants....timing is critical.No one knows it all......never claimed that....don't know why people are reading that into things.I just like the rain!!!!Hot enough for everybody????
Andy it's so very flattering that you even consider my opinion, I'm thankfully to you and all the good folk that contributes with their knowledge to your website , what can I tell you ? I'm a proper leach regarding knowledge , so if time permits I will keep on learning, best regards to all Leo .
forest harvest, Amen! Later. Matsiman
forest harvest. I do believe the parasite likes to grow when your temp rise"s above 85degree's and again here's your sign. It's just one more Mold Parasite that needs "heat" to start growing are to become active........... Thank's Andy,
Hello there folk., Well we have had twice the amount of monthly rain (that we normally get), so things are a little Topsy turby , however I am presently picking my second chanterelle flush and it's a good one , it seems that only chanterelles can survive this rain on-slaught, I did notice the scarcity of lobsters , not many , however a million russulas are growing in their place, it seems the mold did not get to them , bummer , and regarding the Matsutake controversy, NO ONE PERSON HAS ALL THE ANSWERS, that it's the one true fact.
August, Nope, have no idea where your post went. Later, Matsiman
Andy, is there a way to find my work I was typing on the message board that was just lost here at 9:15 pm ? i don't know if I could write it again ;(
Kingmorel,I also believe that rainfall plays a role,but I also know that very hot summers are equally important.I can remember years that the weather was cool and wet all summer,and the result was a poor crop.I have also seen it remain hot for too long resulting in piles of dead babies.So,it would seem to me that in order to have a good crop one would need both heat and rain.Matsiman,what role, if any, would spring weather play on the fall crop?
Garf.... Yes... things are late here this yr... cold and rain rain rain... mold mold mold
Ahead of the pack... some of us have been picking major matsutake since the early to mid 80's. most of us have not bothered "alot" since 911. Thats when the Joes realized we would sell for nada. If you have only been around for the last 15yrs your a noob. No disrespect but you are just getting your feet wet.. but.. I do agree with the rain factor.. I have seen just too many major flush's during heavy rain periods. Boston Bar, Terrace, Van Island, Cave jction OR, and Ontario. I also agree with Andy's data and his formation theory. I think the previous 3-7 yrs conditions will affect the amount of formation. Formation of the premordia or babys is only a small part of the picture. How those babies then grow is another. Most long time pickers have seen many a flush stall and die and we have also seen those babies grow bigger and faster during the heaviest rain/floods. Will matsutake flush during dry times??? for sure as Andy has shown... But I will head for the patches that have had the best formation weather and the most rain... so many patches to choose from. so little time... btw without some luck you r just a joe pull toy.... Randy
Don't have time for more details...doing vehicle maintenence then off picking....it works.Maybe I'm just extremely lucky...and should be buying lottery tickets ! LMAO
Ryan, what region are you in? Pine and spruce are typically (not always) found and different elevations. Can you post a picture of it on a site like flckr or webshots etc and link us to it?
Greetings all, Took "Ahead of the pack's" weather link a little further as he suggested. Looked at 1995 and 2001, both great seasons in the Cascades. 1995 showed .55 inches to July 29, and .03 in 2001. Tell me again how rainfall effects fruiting.
I am pursuing what I can understand of "Ahead of the pack's" theory, but finding what I have always found when rainfall is claimed to be the key. Simply no correlation between rainfall and matsutake production. Got no more time to deal with this unless, as I said before, real data is presented. Later, Matsiman
Ahead of the pack, looked at the link you posted below. Didn't tell me anything. Klamath Falls in not Chemult. Rainfall in the Chemult was exactly as I said. Maybe you need to look a little closer at your stats. The stats I use came from 1 mile from where I actually picked. If that doesn't suit you, I was camped on the site during that period. THERE WAS NO RAIN.
Rainfall really isn't the question anyway, it's soil moisture. Ever do any soil moisture tests? We did. Found more fruiting in 8% soil moisture than 30%. I would love to continue this discussion, but until you can give real evidence, not just your word, there is nothing to discuss. Later, Matsiman
Sorry but i wish i could rewrite this because its not getting to what I really know and like to say. I well take some more time later and add more to it after this weekend.
I myself believe the winter snow pack has allot to do with what happens in the fall and summer must start out hot and stay that way tell fall.when temps start to drop.The hot summer sun warms ups and keeps the ground warm and stays that way all through the summer. You must keep an open mine to how much rain and how soon the ground start to cool like Matsiman study plots have shown as well as Ahead of the pick and his rain Idea. As most of you know an if you don't know , Your season snow fall is a big part of how the ground and the trees keeps the the soil damp and if you don't receive your snow pack everything never grows right . I well see 34 years of experience but even I have been fooled at time. I have been studying pine's and Chantalle's and what happens with prolong hot summer's weather does to them early in a year.
Actually there was record rainfall 1997,I was there.www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KLMT/1997/7/29/DailyHistory.html=NA&req-statename=NA.I stand by my statements.Look at Nakusp last year....keep looking at all the big pops....stats don't lie.Love the site Andy.I know you do it for nothing but the love of it.But my experience disagres with the forest service study.And pumice has a huge ability to retain water....like no where else I have seen.
hey everyone, My family and I were in the mountains yesterday and we found a large mushroom. I am almost confident it is boletus edulis but i need some confirmation on this. the stalk of the mushroom is white and the top is a brown. it stands about 8-9 inches tall and about 7-8 inches wide. We found it near the top of the mountain and surrounding it were a bunch of pines and spruces, and it may be helpful if you could give me a site that would sell these mushrooms and maybe buy them because if they are edible i may want some more. :) thanks for the help, ryan
hey A ,,, doing pretty good and as a lot of people am waiting for a chance to go out and do a little scouting..... just too early and too hot here right now..... you always seem to find them and thats great.... have you got wheels now? gl on your excursions.... Andy has been so gracious to build this site for us all to use and obviuosly has spent many ,,, thousands of hrs studying matsutake.... i greatly appreciate all he has done,,,, i am another who has picked for many many years and i use my own intuition and do the legwork for my sucesses ... as for predicting crops .... for this area i do ok.... but i could never say that i've studied it ..... obviously ahead of the pack is years ahead of us all ..... now lets see some results maybe post a few pictures or something .... ger
certain mushrooms are the fruits of trees, are they not? what is/was the condition of the tree: (many parameters...moisture, stress, nutrients, competition and so on)? a most enjoyable and educational morel season here in the East Koot's. Mountains of thanks to you Andy for the abundance of info. It certainly helped filled both my buckets.
AHEAD ON THE PIPE IS MORE LIKE IT wtf are you thinking,you can come on here and dicredite year,s of studies by andy and other,s. this site is for people in the real world go back to your crack pipe and leave these people alone
Ahead of the pack,I think you are nothing short of extremely rude! If you are so great at predicting, please tell us what the crop will be like this year in northren B.C.,and we'll see just how good you are!I have a couple decades under my belt, and I haven't come close to figuring it out. Have some respect for Matsiman's work!
ahead of the pack, great to hear you have all the answers. We all agree you are the greatest matsi picker ever to grace the planet. However, it is customary to discuss issues here, not attack or discredit 20 years work. You are welcome to post here but, any future inappropriate posts will be deleted. Later, Matsiman
Ouch!.... Looks like the start of a BIG pissing contest.... Andy has an email connection via this sight... I think at the very least, you could have emailed him this information rather than post it here. The man has done a wonderful job of putting this web page together... study's and all (scientifically done) links, information, stories etc. etc.... I have tried to predict the Matsi crop for 35 years... and have never got it right. Lets give praise where praise is due. If you have a better way great, then you should put it to the test. Do your own study, and publish it. l don't think Andy has to defend himself against the likes of a diatribe like this...... take from it (study)what you will, but also understand the work, time and dedication that went into it.... Thanks........... and Oh! not to hurt your feelings!!!!
Read your one study....don't think too much of it!I've been predicting matsi crops from afar for years,and gave done very well(picked on the full circuit for 15 years,year round)Matsi's grow in Saskatchewan,Alberta,Manitoba,northern Ontario,Colorado.Montana,and Idaho in the dead of summer heat!They have them right now in Mass.Too many variables not controlled....like the precip in the 60 days before you began your experiment.How close to the 20 yr average fruiting date did your study start.Timing is key.Start over......that paper is only good for wrapping fish!Sorry.....but your study is seriously flawed....not to hurt your feelings.Had this conversation with Getts.....he was stunned when I finished talking to him......many things he hadn't considered.I go to the place I THINK will have the big crop....or don't go at all if I think all spots will go and price will be $3 for 1's.Many pickers know me and can verify my predictions.......like being ahead of the pack on the last 2 really big flushes in the 90's in Gold Beach!
garf, How the hell are you now day's. Even though it's hot I still have peach are apricot chanterelles popping and looking very good and tonight I well be eating well. there are 5x more then last years crop witch was very good also as I picked my last basket on Dec, 3, 08.
heading out on your summer pick Randy??? its been wet over there by the sounds of it ..... at least in areas around To...... post pics if you can ..... gl to you and george ..... been hot and dry here .... some small fires started in the valley thursday and saturday from lightning strikes .... we need rain ..... ger
WHAT THE HELL? You got me a thanking.
August, your "bolete me to your leader" got me working up some more mushroom puns. Here are mine. What can yall come up with....tuber, or not tuber. Thst is the question; bolete me up scotty; coprinus, comatus the bathroom now...but mom im inking myself up; i chantrelle you how much i love you; (maybe nsfw...) he blewit on her clitocybe nuda....whatcha got people?
Thanks Andy,very interesting articles.I guess there's no easy answer.
G.I.Joe. I'm sad and sick because you are lucky to be with Princes of King's. Bolete me to your leader and I well hide your where abouts from those that would look foe you when it rains cats an dogs. If we are lucky with all this Hot hot hot heat and you send some rain this way on TIME, we should have a big crop this fall and that is" IF " and a big word for two litters. Bucketstogo
LOL love the new nickname A or madmorel. LOL I am with the KING! Nice and cool here like it better than where I live in da states. Looking foward to a few weeks of camping. Well got to run. Hey all ! good luck this season. duncan ( aka G.I. George)
Newman, it would help if we knew where you are.
Tanker, That is what i to believe so now all we need is more people to say the same. But we also need the rain to show up around the last to weeks of August and the first two weeks of September I have always had good when they happens.
"A" The summer of 94 was incredibly hot with very little rain until sept.,and suprisingly there was a very good crop.On the other hand 2001 was cool and wet,and the crop was crappy.Another year when it was hot and dry there were tons of suckers,but because the rain didn't come they all died.It would seem that the heat is good providing the rains come in time.Can you comment Matsiman?Tinker
i need a # to a mushroom buyer
What I am the tenth ghost called mad morel. How how much longer well this heat wave last and what harm could it do to the fungi's?. Thank's Andy.
August, you are 10th on the list. Later, Matsiman
Were am I on the sign up lest.
Allotrope, Don't know much about allotrope and signs of coming season or life of the patch. There are many possible influences in allotrope growth. Don't think I would use it as a sign of anything to do with coming season, but who knows.
The foray is still on. I have 10 or 11 signed up now. I'll see what the interest is when we get closer to the time. Later, Matsiman
Im no expert but i dont believe matsi need allatropa the way A.. Needs M.. Also the mycelium is going to move thru the ground...its consuming nutrients and moving along...and the allatropa is going to move with it.
I have found matsi without any Allotropa around but this year I have found it where I have never seen it grown before. I also have not seen it where I have seen it grows and I would like to know why?. Andy, how is your foray coming along this fall?
What is with allotropa this year? I'm not seeing any of it in the usual spots. I've got all my alotropa patches waymarked, so I'll go check them in the fall anyway. I'm wondering what lack of any allotropa anywhere in my region might mean for the matsutake season? Maybe it does not mean anything other than me not being able to find any new spots this year.
Kingmorel, Where is G.I.Joe ! and not Boletus Joe!. I wish I could have gone off to war with him. I just love to cut them chanty's off at the leg's. he he he
I bet I know.... who the camping buddy is....
New Page, Nontimber Businesses Wanted for OSU Database. Later, Matsiman
Going for a pick, any buyers from Lake Cowichan want to tell me where they are buying morels or when they will be buying chants Making my way down from northen alberta so anywhere is good now ;)
A of course its someone you/he knows.....
Duncan with whom are you camping with? anyone "WE" know!.
Hi all made it north of the boarder. Never seen so much teak! Getting ready to make base camp for the up comming mushroom time/season. Yeah baby bring on the chanties and lobsters oh a few other goodies that i havent found before. Peace out all. duncan out of the burgh!
Out on a new training exercise. Yes back into the woods here 4 a few hours to pick! Then to the lake for bass fishing and swimming. Heres whats up in Pittbsurgh Black trumpets, green cap russulas, smooth chanties, shrimp russulas, butter boletes, king boletes, brick top boletes, blushing amanita, and coccora amanita, and more. Happy picking!!! Leaving this country to head north soon! neo-geo
Tony email me your phone num to firstname.lastname@example.org whats the max grade driers your nterested in? Can provide many.
Your thoughts on tarrifs being levied on foreign nations (sans canada) importation of fresh mushroom products to help bolster the price here. We all know how hard it is to compete w turkey on morel prices...discuss.
lol fresh morels are 60$/lb here in Toronto at most stores that sell them. Good luck to Sask. in trying to inforce those permits if it ever went to court,,,,, its a joke here in Canada. if the permit was for re-sellers they may have a chance.... N E one looking for chants or lobsters? minimum orders of 30lbs. email@example.com best to all.. Randy
LTK PLEASE go to your planed patch till we can work out the want,s and need,s of this,,, where are you at ,,canada,,us ,,let me know ;,,,i am using dried bolets need more info thank,s tony
Hey chef what are you willing to pay for the whites? I was going to head to an edulis patch fri. But will go to barrowsii ground for the right price. Creekfreak71@yahoo.com
Hi what do you have white king,s chuck boletus ,,edulis boletus,,where are you at get back to me ,,if price is right ,,let,s talk ,,,Tony
50 lb`s dry kings for sale
Went out yesterday omn my mushroom training course. Found 2 pounds of fresh black trumpets, 1/2 pound of chanties and 15 pounds of Butter boletes! Not hard to find them cause the ones I found were between 1/4 pound size up to 2 pounders. yes I am enjoying the fruits of my ground crawling labor for the balck trumpets. LOL Anyway getting ready for the up comming chanty and lobster hunting. Hope everyone is well. neo-geo
It has been a while since I posted and just wanted to give everyone a shout out. I hope everyone is having a great summer. I am looking forward to this coming season.
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