User_Name: sandman
Date: Sunday March 31, 2013
Time: 08:36 PM

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First off, I did not initiate that bill, but I did react to it. I figured if the state was going to do something, and the original bill was really bad, I wanted to say something. I did. Starting with the director of the ODA. I made it perfectly clear that I had no interest in helping the state to just get in line with their hand out. If they were going to do anything (establish fees), then how about a licensing and certification program like they do in Italy for mushrooms (not just truffles). I figured the day was going to come any way, when the state gets involved, and their folks writing these things have not a clue. You got to get involved when the opportunity arises. This was not planned out like some kind of scheme to benefit a couple people. Give me a break! I wish we had more time to get more input. Nor am I all burned out from picking. I walk 12 to 14 miles a day, seven days a week, for three months straight. I was told that I should form a group and amend the bill, so I did. It was a group of people with diverse interests. Time was very short. Change 'permit' to 'license', exempt recreational users, and private landowners, address flaws in the current law, establish a certification program to insure resource protection and public safety through education (after all, that is coming down the pike anyway by the feds), and will relieve restaurants from having to maintain records as stated by the new law passed last year, which only burdens the wild mushroom industry as a whole because more and more restaurants will simply choose not to deal with wild mushrooms, etc.etc. I shared what our group was working on with the pres of OMS, and I even spoke with Carl Wilmsen who is a professional representative for the Asian people, ten days before the hearing. I was not working behind closed doors, i am a firm believer in the collaborative process, but time was so short. The hearing was a zoo. After the hearing it was stated "looks like we turned over some rocks and some critters came out". The licensing was to only apply to commercial users (and we were still working on provisions for weekend and family pickers who were just out for a little extra cash), and would help scale back the army invasion tactics of some groups of harvesters. My biggest fear is that the feds will shut everything down, just like they always do when people get killed, or situations spin out of control. We are on the brink of a very volatile situation. The number one top dog head field buyer personally set up shop in Florence last season. There are a lot of locals who are extremely on edge and figure he has big plans, and this area is not a vast area waiting to be explored like central and southern OR was 20 years ago. We are already bumping elbows here. Social conflicts are certain to flare up when locals start getting pushed out by large groups. A license requirement by the state for commercial harvest would at least reduce the numbers. Not trying to keep people out, just trying to have a little balance. I welcome anyone who can come up with a better idea, seriously. I am going to hope for a peaceful season next fall. The good ol' days are long gone, and yet we still have something very special. I don't like more regulation either, but since it is going to come It might be a good idea to start thinking about it ahead of time. I just hope our next opportunity does not come too late.


User_Name: Matsiman
Date: Sunday March 31, 2013
Time: 01:55 PM

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Changed the letter file to html.

John Getz Letter


User_Name: ShamelessOpenSourcePlug
Date: Sunday March 31, 2013
Time: 12:03 PM

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Try openoffice, it is free and can translate MSoft files.


User_Name: Dan Doofus
Date: Sunday March 31, 2013
Time: 11:53 AM

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Correction: I meant to say using past glory, fame, notoriety ISN'T necessarily bad. (Athletes do it all the time without consequences that are harmful to the public interest. Then, on the other end of the spectrum, politicians regularly become lobbyiests for businesses/corporations as soon as soon as they are no longer public employees!) Maybe mushroom hunters who get to old to climb up down them hills anymore would be tempted to set themselves up as a "leader" and capitalize on their past accomplishments? Or maybe somebody would like to be the Truffle King of Oregon? Hmmm.... LETS KEEP MUSHROOM HARVESTING OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC WITHOUT ANY MORE COST, BURDEN OR BARRIERS THAN IS NECESSARY TO PROMOTE RESPONSIBLE, SUSTAINABLE HARVESTING. Out.


User_Name: Dan Doofus
Date: Sunday March 31, 2013
Time: 11:38 AM

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Sorry we got disconnected there - So we have here the workings of a small self- interested group attempting to gain control of public policy regarding what is primarily a wild resource, in their own best interest? Then set that policy to benefit themselves, primarily, through legislative action? Since they are after all the "mushroom community" ? Preposterous!! First of all there is no "mushroom community" By nature mushrooms, the areas they grow, and the people who harvest them are too diverse to be considered a "community". These people dont speak for everyone. They sure don't speak for me. I'm guessing they don't speak for the hundreds if not thousands of recreational, occasional, part time, hobbiests, or commercial harvesters. Trying to use past glory, fame, notoriety etc..to get money for yourself is necessarily bad and it sure isn't new...But attempting to parley that into control of a natural resource belonging to all the people of Oregon isn't ok with me. Were a smart bunch us oregonians, overall, and I'm optimistic that when most of us smell poop we recognize it as such


User_Name: Dan Doofus
Date: Sunday March 31, 2013
Time: 11:22 AM

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I Cant even read the letter as it requires Microsoft system thingies I donr even use. So theres one thing. I'm


User_Name: SalemSitter
Date: Sunday March 31, 2013
Time: 10:20 AM

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Those are the same pieces that John has been circulating. Twaddle. Regulations should be set by those parties interested in maintaining the resource. That would be professional and recreational mushroom collectors working with landowners and not by those parties wishing to use regulation to control the mushroom supply or those with good publicists. The Jim Wells Marketing Group is attempting to create laws that affect everyone while failing to solicit input from stakeholders. They have set themselves up as authorities to dupe the uninformed. This is not some fluke or chance happening. They have been working individually and together generating the publicity to make themselves appear to be authorities for the past ten years or so. I didn't vote for John, Jack or Jim to represent me and I never will. I know them. Their lack of transparency and active obfuscation speaks to the character of these men. John needs to address the following issues: 1. Restricting input to his select group and then claiming that this group somehow represents anyone other than the Jim Wells Marketing Group. 2. The plan of the group that introduced the bill is to form a working group to establish regulations for the mushroom industry. The working group will have Jim Wells at the head to set the standards for the mushroom industry in Oregon. This is to be a different group than the one appointed by the legislative committee to work on the bill and will be created to design the regulations.


User_Name: Steve from Oregon
Date: Saturday March 30, 2013
Time: 11:17 PM

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Was out hiking today and the plant life looked perfect for the morel time popping. No Morels yet though ?We have had temps in the 60's or about for 2 weeks now hitting low 70's has to happen soon btw my trilliums are in full bloom.


User_Name: Dan Doofus
Date: Saturday March 30, 2013
Time: 05:52 PM

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Yeah I'm gonna have to take up daytime drinkin' for something to do till the Morels start happenin'. I'd bet money the burns in Wa are gonna be killer this year. Huge area up there, not to mention all of those little lightning strike burns of a few acres each that are scattered around the forests. I found out by accident years ago those can be little glory holes sometimes. And often you have the place all to yourself.


User_Name: Northwestjones
Date: Saturday March 30, 2013
Time: 04:33 PM

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I'm getting impatient too Dan! I've been all over the valley lookin for riparian morels, still just finding verpas and cup fungi. I'm getting anxious for the real season to begin though!


User_Name: Matsiman
Date: Saturday March 30, 2013
Time: 03:41 PM

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I received a reply from John. He asked me to post this letter.

John Getz Letter


User_Name: Dan Doofus
Date: Saturday March 30, 2013
Time: 11:07 AM

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Ok people. I've reached the point nearly going insane from waiting and am bored beyond belief with everything, including stuff I ordinarly love to do. Is it effin time to go get them effin Morels yet????


User_Name: Matsiman
Date: Saturday March 30, 2013
Time: 06:27 AM

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I emailed John this morning. I asked him to read the board and respond. He may not answer or the email address my not be current. I will let the board know if the message is returned.


User_Name: Dan Doofus
Date: Friday March 29, 2013
Time: 06:52 PM

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Ahem! I move we ban political babble meant to scare, deceive and mislead those in the sleepy-dumbed-down community. Henceforth all politicians shall be reguired to demonstrate in clear terms specifically what it is they intend to do, how it serves the public interest and exactly what their "solution" is in clear language. Without the hype.


User_Name: Shogun
Date: Friday March 29, 2013
Time: 05:43 PM

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How the heck are they gonna enforce mushroom laws when they cannot even enforce laws that we already have that would actually save lives if they were followed? eg; drinking & driving & speeding. The current mushroom laws are basically self-regulating in that only honest people actually are obedient unless ‘johnny law’ is right there to force obedience. This added mushroom regulating seems like an unnecessary waste of taxes collected to feather the nest of a few privileged birds. I am reminded of the penguin that brays similar to a donkey, does it feather a nest?


User_Name: SalemSitter
Date: Friday March 29, 2013
Time: 05:07 PM

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Is there a name for someone that signs in to testify to the Legislature on behalf of an organization that does not exist? Oh, John Getz, would be that name. The organization that does not exist would the the OR Wild Mushroom and Truffle Assoc. They have no web page so I did some digging and found that there is really no such association. I was just looking to see if me and about 50 friends could join, force an election and depose the self-appointed spokespeople for the mushroom industry and those that are injured by the mushroom industry (their agenda is pretty comprehensive?), you know, rule by the informed governed, democracy. So, I would say that the testimony presented by John Getz on behalf of his fictitious group was rather misleading, if not criminally liable.


User_Name: Dan Doofus
Date: Friday March 29, 2013
Time: 03:27 PM

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And..... if all the grubby "little" people, and small independent businesses associated with the old system can be squeezed out by high licensing fees and heavy, burdensome regulations then that will clear the way for the "right" people (well money'd, well connected, corporate entities etc..) to effect control of all levels of the market too! Oh and the government will of course benefit in terms of increased revenue for their role in "correctly handling" the "problems" and keeping everyone "safe" and promote "stability" of the market! OMFG what a great idea! and if anybody wants a job maybe they can contact the people now in charge of harvest and distribution of all wild edibles and see if they can work for whatever their new masters are willing to pay! Perfect. Say lets set up this system nation wide and call it some catchy word....think now....hmmm....Pro business and free market sounds good to me! Yeah that's what we'll do!


User_Name: Dan Doofus
Date: Friday March 29, 2013
Time: 03:06 PM

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Matsimama; Oh cool. So regarding the issues surrounding Truffles in particular - Trespassing, vandalism, theft, destruction of private property, these things will now be made illegal under this bill to protect those who are currently not protected by any such laws? And all those people who are killed from eating mushrooms harvested in the wild in Oregon and consumed in restaurants and homes all around the country wont be dying anymore? Thank gawd someone got right on these problems and is going to do something about it! I'm going to town to find this person and give them a medal!


User_Name: shroomertom
Date: Friday March 29, 2013
Time: 02:27 PM

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The time is now to write to all your local papers about the impacts of SB578 and how it will favor large-scale corporate buyers and slave-labor crews at the expense of rank-and-file Oregonians. Especially those living in rural, economically-depressed areas. For instance, in Coos County, the newspaper is The World. That's committe-head Arnie Roblan's home district. He's moving this bill along. Go to the Oregon legislature website to find other members of the so-called "rural development" committee. If you live in their district write them and write newspapers in the district.


User_Name: shroomertom
Date: Friday March 29, 2013
Time: 02:07 PM

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Salem Sitter: You may be looking at more than just a basket of truffles here, man. The person you mention has close ties to a certain buyer who will soon be "king of the hill" in Crescent Lake. This buyer has been intimating that he will swarm matsi areas like the ODNRA with crews and wipe out all the old timers. We wondered how he was going to do this--perhaps he was suffering from an adverse mixture of prescription drugs? No--it's quite clear now.


User_Name: matsimama
Date: Friday March 29, 2013
Time: 01:04 PM

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Dear Dan, You're not such a doofus (lol). The problem with the bill is that there is already extensive legislation in place that simply is not enforced. And for that matter, the basic mushrooms do not require any special "education", and there are tiers of buyers involved here, including middlemen, that should know what they are buying (and besides, don't the buyers have insurance?).Adding more layers of legislation, as usual, will not solve the problem. Enforcement can't keep up with even the barest elements of existent law.And as far as protecting the public, I think legislation heaped on the backs of the law-abiding pickers will put such (as usual) at a vast disadvantage as special interests will protect their own under the table, and illegal pickers will probably flourish even more than ever. Let's not take pretense as honest legislation!


User_Name: Dan Doofus
Date: Thursday March 28, 2013
Time: 10:48 AM

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Btw- I don't see anything wrong with including truffles growing on public lands into the existing system already in place for wild mushrooms, based on the SCIENCE. But don't truffles grow mostly on private land at low elevation? - (private property issues anyone?) I also don't think strangling a budding cottage industry that's good for Oregon with huge sweeping overregulation, (are truffles a budding cottage industry?) is a good idea. P.S. - Let's not let a VERY tiny VERY loud group dictate the policy, in their best interest, either....


User_Name: Dan Doofus
Date: Thursday March 28, 2013
Time: 10:22 AM

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SalemSitter, It seems your well informed about the goings on with this bill. I'm always skeptical (motive?) of political involvement/tampering with anything that appears to favor the interest of the few over the well being/interests of the many. After all this is and has been the game for a long time. - Far too often money buys the politician, who then does their part on behalf of the interests that bought them. BTW, I don't mind one bit complying with good sound land and resource management regulations. But if what you say is true I wouldn't be surprised, as it does seem fit the MO of special interest over reality based-science and responsible resource management. So is this a case of "created instant catastrophe" that demands immediate action in the: Urgent! Hurry! Hurry! kind of way? Or is it being carefully and thoughtfully, discussed in a rational science-based manner? Wild Mushroom harvesting does not seem to me to be something that would attract great interest for a "big business" or "special interest" kind of takeover but I guess the term "big business" is relative and we should never underestimate the determination of a few to bend a system in their favor out of greed or lust for control.


User_Name: SalemSitter
Date: Thursday March 28, 2013
Time: 08:55 AM

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Finally, the obfuscated becomes transparent: SB578 came from the OR Wild Mushroom and Truffle Association. John Getz is president. That means that his bedfellows Jim Wells and Jack Czarnecki are probably members. I would really like to see the list of the other members. It would seem that this group has a political agenda as opposed to a marketing agenda. Why does this legislation target the workers? Mushroom chefs need to take classes and get licensed, too. There should be a special "Dog in the Manger" levy for any small woodland landowner that does not harvest their truffles? This whole bill is part of a disease. The symptoms seem to be a propensity toward camera whoring and a tendency to want State help due to the inability to succeed in the marketplace. If Jack Czarnecki is really interested in economic development of rural Oregon instead of his own, The Joel Palmer House would not collect a service fee from the customers and keep it. Tips should go to the workers not the house.


User_Name: VerpaHound
Date: Wednesday March 27, 2013
Time: 08:27 AM

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Verpas in the Willamette Valley.


User_Name: bc picker
Date: Wednesday March 27, 2013
Time: 07:08 AM

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no one going to pick this year, seems quite out there


User_Name: Matsiman
Date: Monday March 25, 2013
Time: 04:47 PM

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Greetings, I don't much like getting into this discussion. I want to thank TruthOut. Pretty much describes what I know about the bill. I do know who imitated it and how it came to the attention of the legislature. I won't give any names. It is my understanding, from a reliable source, that a dunes picker, using a truffle dog,  took a member of the legislature out to show him or her the raking for truffles. We all know what raking looks like. Doesn't mean it is doing damage, but does look like roto tilling at times. This is what imitated the concern, poor harvest technique and possibly damage. The same happened with matsi years ago. No new regs were established, only training. It worked. Raking for matsi is not common anymore in the Cascades.


User_Name: the island
Date: Monday March 25, 2013
Time: 10:54 AM

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bc picker must have been a natural in Victoria?? none of my mid island patches have pop yet! u are right very soon!!!!!!!!!!! GL


User_Name: Dan Doofus
Date: Monday March 25, 2013
Time: 09:43 AM

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Ah yes, logging. Don't get me started. Oh wait, I already am.....Big commercial logging is the absolute destroyer of diverse natural forest habitat. And then they replant a tree farm and call it a forest! In 60 years we almost completely logged what took a thousand+ years to grow. I remember the big timber propaganda as a child in school: "For every tree we cut down we plant 100 trees" Said the nice man in the movie. Seemed logical...to me and my friends who where in the third grade at the time.! Maybe to make sustainable mushroom harvesting we need to ban logging where mushrooms grow.....I'd be for that. Log your own land? FINE. But don't bend the science to favor commercial interests on public land anymore. Yes times have changed but it aint over. In a hundred years or three hundred our descendants will look back and think how irresponsible, stupid and selfish people of this time were. I mean they mowed down ancient forests for private profit/money OMG how awful!


User_Name: bc picker
Date: Monday March 25, 2013
Time: 09:30 AM

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mountain man 2013 you might be in luck ,well seasoned picker hear ,could be your lucky year,how can i get a hold of you see if we could put something together, ready to go very soon,rely i was ready at the end of last season, have picked morel this year as of two weeks ago, get back


User_Name: Boletus Joe
Date: Monday March 25, 2013
Time: 09:21 AM

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OH! Did I mention MONEY. Take away the MONEY and the problem goes away.


User_Name: Boletus Joe
Date: Monday March 25, 2013
Time: 09:15 AM

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Interesting..... I read all this stuff about how the governing bodies are going to control the "Mushroom" industry......... It is the same B.S. about how they are going to control hunting, fishing, guns, news media, internet. Very simple people........... More people using less habitable area = more control over said area. What about the logging? Why is no one saying anything about that? In 1972 when I first started picking there were no buyers. By 1988-2000 (what I would call the "best" years) picking fever was full blown. After that things went down hill. Today there is just a wee bit of good ground left and everyone is fighting over it. This leaves you with control, sanctioned by the governing bodies, who are controlled by the private sector. So unless you OWN your own patch, your F**ked. Oh! They like holding hearings, having white papers, investigations etc. It's all part of the game.... Hey don't you live in a free country? Aren't your decisions made via legislated order? The vote? Don't you have control over your own destiny? Meanwhile they grind you down and lobby (pay off) all those in control and end up with what they wanted in the first place..... and all we/you want to do is go out and pick a few mushrooms. It is SAD. To bad we don't have a time machine and we could go back 50 years.


User_Name: Dan Doofus
Date: Monday March 25, 2013
Time: 08:44 AM

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After looking into this regulation thing a bit and reading what available info I can find, here's my 2 cents on the issue of regulating mushroom harvesting of any kind, anywhere. Science! Good land management based on Science! Not Politics. I'm not in favor of the powerful and well connected tampering with things they know little or nothing about. Throwing around power breeds contempt, as evidenced by recent political turmoil with no end in sight. Responsible land management based on science everyone can understand breeds respect for nature. Many of the problems we face are the direct result of politicos of all kind tampering with things they know little or nothing about. Sometimes it's power and sometimes it's well meaning. But anymore it's almost never based on the science. Usually ideology, religion or special interests that favor the few at the expense of the many. Did I mention SCIENCE yet. Mushrooms grow wild in many different areas. Does a "one size fits all approach seem like the right thing in this case? I think not.


User_Name: Dan Doofus
Date: Monday March 25, 2013
Time: 08:15 AM

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Northwestjones: I see Spring has sprung at lower elevations. But Winter still has a firm grip pretty much anywhere above 3500ish ft and I can see plenty of snow between there and 6500ish ft that has to melt off.. My prediction, for what it's worth, is a good morel season for those willing to work for 'em. The fires last summer in WA,OR,CA,ID,MT. gives us all lots of room to roam. Soooo....The snow melts, it rains just right and warms up and viola, Morels baby! (I'm an optomist, and jonesin' to get at it.) OH BTW - AIN'T NOBODY GOT NO MUSHROOM BASKETS THEY CAN PART WITH? PLEEEZEE!


User_Name: TruffleDog
Date: Monday March 25, 2013
Time: 08:10 AM

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So, that is the info on who is behind the regulation of the mushroom industry. I personally like her first statement, "None of us want more regulation," unless of course she is writing it. If you don't want more regulation, stop making new regulations. There are regulations in place that are working. These people have nothing but a jones for control. They could have started their own harvesting group and marketed on their merits but they really have nothing new to offer but want the taxpayers to pay for this group to control the industry. Who is going to pay for this? I think a special tax assessment on small timberland properties and a special tax on restaurants should make up the funding shortfall from the revenue generated by taxing the mushroom collectors and dealers.


User_Name: TruthOut
Date: Monday March 25, 2013
Time: 08:00 AM

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None of us want more regulation, but if it is going to happen, most of us would like to have a hand in making it a useful legislation. What you read in Patrick Hamilton's summary was the original bill and I don't know who proposed it and for what reason - most likely to get more funds in this difficult financial time. It was not a well thought out bill and needed attention. I've been in discussion with a local group which includes personal use foragers like myself, commercial harvesters and buyers, and truffle harvesters who use dogs, not rakes. Our intent was to propose amendments to make the bill focus on sustainability of Oregon's mushroom resources, mostly by focusing on commercial harvesters and buyers. The hope is to prepare for a future certification system that can be the way to teach mushroom pickers about sustainable harvesting and how to leave less impact in the forests. A local concern is the fragile "soft" soils of western Oregon. Specifically the Oregon Dunes National Recreation Area is a small area (less than 40 miles long and 2 miles wide) and could not sustain thousands of commercial harvesters even though it is very productive for fall edibles. The Cascades where major commercial harvesting is ongoing contain hundreds of square miles of national forest. The Siuslaw District of the Forest Service has a permitting system that already limits the number of commercial harvesters for Matsutake, but not other species. Many local harvesters have areas they have been sustainably harvesting for almost 30 years, so of course they are passionate about protecting this resource. It is not about xenophobia. An influx of a large number of any group of commercial harvesters would be a problem in this small area. The coast range where Oregon truffles are being found involves mostly private land; poachers have been heavily raking some of this land without permission. Targeting the way money changes hands by requiring buyers to be licensed and their transactions to be legitimate, would hopefully help professionalize and stabilize the industry. SB578 -01 amendment was submitted before the hearing on March 14, including stating that it will NOT apply to personal use or to private landowners picking on their own land. It does apply to commercial harvesters and buyers. ORS 164.813 about transport of harvested mushrooms was enacted in 1993 and SB578 amends it to make it more workable. It has not been enforced very well in the past, but would be a problem if it was. The next step, if the bill moves on, is for the Senate committee to appoint a working group to recommend the final wording of the bill. Then it would still have to be voted on. At least this is my meager understanding of how this works. If you want more information, you can follow the bill: https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Measures/Overview/SB578 . Under the "Exhibits" tab you can read the submitted written testimony from the public hearing on March 14. I hope this summary is helpful and we can continue the discourse in nonreactive and more positive discussions. I don't think attacking individuals is useful. What we need to look at is if there is regulation, how best can we have our point of view heard and hopefully included. Members of OR and CA mushroom clubs need to be included in the discussion. Perhaps if Oregon passes a reasonable bill that works, then California could be encouraged to look more favorably on opening up more public land for limited mushroom harvesting. I can continue to update you as I follow the current status of this bill, if there is interest. Michael Vaughn has already posted his viewpoint on Mushroom Talk and you can read it there. There are other people involved who would also be willing to add to the discussion by sharing their point of view. Please keep an open mind, listen to the shared opinions, and think about the complexity of managing mushroom harvesting before jumping to "the sky is falling" conclusions. I hope more of you will visit Oregon's forests, a national treasure awaiting good stewardship. Anna Moore (Eugene and Florence, OR)


User_Name: TruffleDog
Date: Monday March 25, 2013
Time: 07:54 AM

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mountianman2013, those are not blue chantys. Those are Polyozellus multiplex, the clustered blue chanterelle. Blue Chanterelles are in the genus Cantharellus. Yes, I have collected both. Perhaps a bit of education before obtaining a mushroom collection permit would be in order. Since you say you sell to chefs, they need a class in mushrooms as well.


User_Name: Matsiman
Date: Monday March 25, 2013
Time: 02:55 AM

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Here is a photo sent by mountianman2013. Blue Chanty.

Click on photo to enlarge


User_Name: Northwestjones
Date: Sunday March 24, 2013
Time: 02:51 PM

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B.s. aside, how's it looking for everybody? Found some early oysters this year but no luck on the morels yet. Any full buckets?


User_Name: Shogun
Date: Sunday March 24, 2013
Time: 07:19 AM

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Thanks for the hearty belly-laugh this morning. It is truly a funny statement, “I'm sure he would love to visit your Matsi patch.” So; say goodbye in advance to any patch you felt inclined to wanna pick in the future? Thanks for the giggles that just will not go away.


User_Name: Steve from Oregon
Date: Saturday March 23, 2013
Time: 03:45 PM

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Mountian: it is wise to be apprehensive on this site. There are nice peeps here good peeps but gotta root out the bad apples. I think some discourage here because here in the lower 48 lots are use to being screwed over and the competition has not got any easier. Here in Oregon there are peeps that put together groups free of charge just your cost of travel and or lodging. You could also hit up someone like Chris Matherly I myself do not have experiencing with him but I think it would be well advised to get others opinions who have dealt with him. I'm sure he would love to visit your Matsi patch.


User_Name: mountianman2013
Date: Saturday March 23, 2013
Time: 12:42 AM

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for one i pick more pines then anything an in chantys in the total season i make pretty good as is. to markets an stores i know i make average 400 a day if not more on chantys an pines wellyea anyways. im not askin u all this cause im some dumb dude pickin an hopin, my average pice i deal with an i do get it all the time is 8 bucks 100g, 35$ a lb and to a store or resturant 55lb 160 for 4lbs. so like i said i dont belive all whats told to me like u saying if u wanna make large go rob a bank lol. i worked under 3 different buys on van island all in port alberni an well from what i gather u just dont know were to sell proper i guess. what im askin u guys was a comparison price due to the fact that i dont wanna jip or screw myself either as i got more hrs then the average person tryin to learn, this will be my 7th yr. but scince i signed up for this site alls u guys tried to do is discourage me from pickin as if like im dumb to the fact. u guys r bitter y be here if u cant be help full all honesty, mushroom pickers well good ones atleast r a dien breed. everyone trys to rip us off screw us for how hard we work 5 bucks a pound is an insult an if i can arrange no matter were i go a place for people to make more well then, but dont get crabby with me when i have simple questions. for all i care id take u to were i go pick. money aint everything nor is the issue of showing people. anyways u guys have fun an ill find another group thatsnot so hatefull.. oh an smart ass. have u ever found a blue chanty????? im gonna guess u havent. in the next day ill find how to post a pic.


User_Name: Canuck to Canuck
Date: Friday March 22, 2013
Time: 08:28 PM

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Mountain Man..... I sort of gave up on that.... Simply put, no sooner would I figure out a price with someone, and bust my ass to provide good clean quality shrooms. When some smart ass, nose candy monkey, would come along and undercut my price, for the price of a bag of weed. Your best bet is to find someone who will buy in bulk and let them deal with all the cost of shipping, delivering, gas etc. Either that or give them away to good friends, eat them yourself. The reward is instant and it is painless. This is defiantly a "sunset" industry, Enjoy your time out there, the way they are stripping the trees from Van.Isl and the mainland coast, I think we might have "maybe" 10 years. Case in point---- I had a customer that was paying me $5.00 lb. for every shannie I could provide him... That lasted 3 years. Till a local buyer who got .50 a lb. from her buyer in Vancouver figured out that she could skim a few hundred pounds a week at .75 I know, I know... True story. So she F**ked me and my customer as well. Cause she was selling him her crap. Plus she was using someone else's (her buyers) money to buy at her station. and making 50% more . She could have easily sold my customer those channies for $4.50. But in her mind she see a 50% profit and stealing someone else's business. As a BIG business deal. Believe me this is what you can expect. I am not surprised by anything anymore. I would say if your going to pick, just pick and sell to a trusted buyer. and if you want to make a lot of money, rob a bank....


User_Name: mountianman2013
Date: Friday March 22, 2013
Time: 03:21 PM

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i have a question, in canadian dollars. whats a respectable price to sell pines chantys an morels to resturants for? per lb??? i have a couple buyers but mostly resturants. i have no clue if im ripping my self off or what not as im self taught over the net. been pickin a few yrs an got a good system going. but things change over the yrs an im kinda curious as to what u guys gotta say


User_Name: mountianman2013
Date: Friday March 22, 2013
Time: 02:56 PM

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yea i understand. but is the same risk i take in my glory holes i pick to for pine mushrooms, an what not. were i pick chantys which aint far from were i pick pines i also found the blue chantrelle. so i do have lots of knowledge when it comes to the shrooming. what ever ill even take someone this yr for pins for promise of next yr, i dont care, tons of bush on this planet lol jsut want someone to share experiance with. my home grounds is vancouver island. so ur risk is as big as mine, anyways. happy hunting.


User_Name: itsalongshot
Date: Friday March 22, 2013
Time: 02:48 PM

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Dan; The mushroom shipping containers you may perhaps be referring to have been known as ‘lychee’ baskets in past years. The two types of smaller ones are often known as 3 kilo and the larger ones as 5 kilo, perchance there are 2 kilo but then I do not measure mushrooms in kilos myself, lol. mountianman2013; Good luck in your partner searching. It used to be that a newbee did not get any of the profits when learning from an experienced picker. Everything went to the person with experience who takes on big risk in teaching and thus enabling someone to come back and be serious competition in following years. There have been many experienced pickers left with regrets after teaching someone who then brought in their own friends even though they promised not to do so.


User_Name: mountianman2013
Date: Friday March 22, 2013
Time: 08:36 AM

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hi there im looking for someone to spend a yr workin traveling an enjoying what nature has to offer. now heres what im looking for. i havent picked morels as of yet. but id like to partner up with someone who can an no how to pick morels i know what they r an how to tell the dif between good an bad. in exchange i know in vancouver island were the pines grow in one area i made a killing in there an chantys near tofino. vancouver island is my sorta back yard to the mushroom world. if anyone wants to partner up an do this let me know as this is my pride an joy. name the conditions an we got a deal, just wanna pick. id even give someone a percentage of my share if someone can teach me.


User_Name: shroomgirl
Date: Friday March 22, 2013
Time: 01:55 AM

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Hey! I would also like to buy some mushroom baskets. Does anyone know where to buy them? Mine have all rotted! :( Full buckets ya'll!


User_Name: TruffleDog
Date: Thursday March 21, 2013
Time: 04:02 PM

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This is just my boots-on-the-ground analysis and is not necessarily the point of view of this website or the website owner. I would support a one-time non-revocable picker education card system similar to the Hunters' Safety Program. I do not support annual licensing fees other than those required by the landowners and managers. Someone at the hearing mentioned the requirement for licensing may go into effect this year but the licensing system will take longer to implement. This is a license to collect mushrooms or deal in mushrooms within the jurisdiction of the State of Oregon and would be required in addition to any fees required by land owners or managers. This legislation is part of the Jim Wells Plan for mushroom world domination? I would hope his business plans are better considered and constructed than this bill. Under the Jim Wells plan, it will cost me about $600 annually for licensing by the State of Oregon. There is a requirement for a dealer's license and a picker's license. Both are required to pick mushrooms and sell them to chefs. One of the bill's supporters mentioned that they were starting an unnamed non-profit for advocacy of Jim Wells' positions with the intent of creating regulations should this come into effect. Does this really boil down to Jim's inability to succeed in his current business model? Big timber was not in support of this bill. We have yet to hear from the grocers and restaurant owners that buy mushrooms directly from the pickers. The only people in support of this bill are friends of Jim Wells and, of course, the Small Woodland Association rep that is being prodded by a certain Benton County timberbaby with little else to do for entertainment. We will see how far this attempt at market control goes. How many State resources is Jim willing to dedicate to the success of his plan? This is not self-funded. The money will come from the tax payers. I know that there are a lot of truffle myths out there but here is some truth: Excessive regulation or establishment of a Mushroom Czar will not make truffles magically appear.


User_Name: Dan Doofus
Date: Thursday March 21, 2013
Time: 01:48 PM

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Does anyone know yet when these proposed mushroom regulations for Oregon would take effect? Or if they will impact the system now in place for those who gather mushrooms commercially on national forest land in Oregon? Has there been some kind of mass hysteria that set this into motion? Or maybe Truffle Mania? Excuse me If I seem uninformed but it seemed to me like the system in place previously worked ok just as it was.


User_Name: Dan Doofus
Date: Thursday March 21, 2013
Time: 01:34 PM

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I should have been more clear - I'm not looking for free mushroom baskets, I want to buy some. In new or good used, usable condition.


User_Name: Dan Doofus
Date: Thursday March 21, 2013
Time: 01:02 PM

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Hi, I'm looking for some of those white (square/rectangle shaped) plastic mushroom baskets with lids...You know the kind the mushroom buyers all use when they dump your five gallon bucket of mushrooms into for weighing and shipping mushrooms in? I've been out of the mushroom hunting scene for several years but am going to get back into it and would appreciate any help in finding some of these baskets. I don't need a lot of them maybe a half dozen or so. Any help locating some would be appreciated. I am in Oregon and can pick them up or pay shipping if it isn't too much. Thanks


User_Name: Steve from Oregon
Date: Wednesday March 20, 2013
Time: 09:28 PM

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Checked the river banks and close to river area's nothing yet but I think the conditions are fairly good. We will see!


User_Name: Brent
Date: Monday March 18, 2013
Time: 11:38 AM

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Looking for some verpa (dried) only need about 500 lbs im guessing and still havent locked down details price, firm quantities. If anyone still collects these please contact Brent - takaya49@hotmail.com. I should know price in a few days


User_Name: NoseWhinin'
Date: Sunday March 17, 2013
Time: 03:38 PM

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What? No Chris M. testifying about how people need registration before they are able to hunt mushrooms in Oregon? Perhaps Chris M. and his tourists were the point of this piece of legislation? LOL! Don't eat any dog truffles!


User_Name: NosePickin'
Date: Sunday March 17, 2013
Time: 02:43 PM

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They already have one of those in Oregon. It is from the Oregon Health Authority. They are pretty basic. They just want to be able to track the mushrooms back to the picker. The species names are required. Who decides on the species names? The Oregon Health Authority lists our chanterelles as Cantharellus cibarius. Do those even grow here?


User_Name: mtn morelz
Date: Sunday March 17, 2013
Time: 09:20 AM

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Did august find his "angel investor"? He and chris matherly have more in common than they want you to know...


User_Name: Mtn Morelz
Date: Saturday March 16, 2013
Time: 03:32 PM

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they are asking for the "Wild Harvested Mushroom Harvest Form" here in washington. what next?


User_Name: JDS
Date: Saturday March 16, 2013
Time: 07:02 AM

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Here in Washington the Department of Natural Resources doesn't give out any mushroom permits, and their limit for personal use is 5 gallons of wild mushrooms...per YEAR.


User_Name: Matsiman
Date: Friday March 15, 2013
Time: 11:53 AM

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TruffleDog, I think what you said is probably the key as to why this legislation is purposed. Raking for matsi was common at one point. This is what initiated our studies. Now it is unusual. In part because of education and in part because of what you said. Raking is allot of work. Truffles are different. More disturbance is necessary. The key is the level of disturbance, as you said. Our studies concluded just that. Matsiman


User_Name: TruffleDog
Date: Friday March 15, 2013
Time: 08:47 AM

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Yes, it was a study by Pilz. Raking for matsis seems a bit time consuming. I think I would usually collect more in a day by covering a larger area without raking. I agree with the light raking for truffles. The key is LIGHT raking. Well aerated soils seem to produce larger truffles. It is important to retain soil structure by not over digging. Most of the concentrated truffle areas are pretty much a huge brûlé. Rake 'em. NO RAKING FOR MORELS! EVER!


User_Name: Matsiman
Date: Friday March 15, 2013
Time: 07:08 AM

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SalemSitter, Boy I got allot to say about science, specifically ground disturbance and ecto fungi. I suggest you read our paper on ground disturbance, future mushroom production and observation of effects of compaction. I think I know the chanty study you are referring too. Was it authored by Dave Pilz? I read that study and was opposed to some of his findings. If you read our matsi study, you will see a shallow rake replace slightly increases fruiting. we wouldn't suggest this harvest method because it takes someone knowable to not rake too deep. Bottom line here is that mushroom studies are difficult. The primary influence of fruiting is weather conditions. Some years are good and some are not. We have found, after 19 years, variability is extremely high even if not picked at all. It is difficult to determine if a treatment, compaction or disturbance, caused an effect because of weather influence. http://matsiman.com/formalpubs/Effects%20of%20mushroom%20harvest.pdf


User_Name: SalemSitter
Date: Thursday March 14, 2013
Time: 11:28 PM

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I am thinking that it is time for people in the mushroom industry to get on the same page. Industry has been setting the standards and this is a move to change that. We can't help it that the Oregon Health Authority gets its names from McIlvaine but we can make our case with a unified voice backed by good science. One buyer brought up an interesting point today. He stated that he thought compaction of soil during forest management practices caused increased mushroom fruiting. I was informed in the mid-1990s by entomologists that healthy coniferous forest soils are mostly air, about 80%. According to at least one study that I picked up at the USFS Forest Mycology Lab, compaction is the enemy of many ectomycorrhizal fungi. After seeing several heavy fruitings after thins, I postulated that the temporary increase in nutrients released into the rhizosphere due to forest management disturbances temporarily increased mushroom fruiting. This was borne out by a chanterelle study released in the mid-2000s. Is there something new here?


User_Name: NosePicker
Date: Thursday March 14, 2013
Time: 10:08 PM

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Since you don't want to contract with them to remove your unwanted food waste, just try spraying a weak boric acid solution around your foundation and where ever they are entering your living space. You could try passing a law requiring them to get a permit from the State before coming into your house. Directions on the net. Check for pet friendliness.


User_Name: Steve from Oregon
Date: Thursday March 14, 2013
Time: 08:48 PM

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Hello, Anyone have any suggestions on how to stop little black/red or sometimes called sugar ants out of the house? These little f'ers are trying to take over. thanks Steve


User_Name: Joe D
Date: Thursday March 14, 2013
Time: 07:10 PM

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Sounds like the State of Oregon is trying get some extra revenue. Give it a couple years industry will be over.


User_Name: Matsiman
Date: Thursday March 14, 2013
Time: 07:03 PM

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SalemSitter, Thanks for the update on the proposed bill. It was obvious it was veg and didn't seem to accomplish much. No permit should issued without forest etiquette and harvest technique training. When they get to the educational part, I'll be there. Matsiman


User_Name: Joe D
Date: Thursday March 14, 2013
Time: 07:03 PM

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Sounds like the State of Oregon is trying get some extra revenue.


User_Name: SalemSitter
Date: Thursday March 14, 2013
Time: 06:44 PM

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Went to the Capitol today. Fun time had by all. This bill would establish an Oregon State mushroom regulatory agency, require education and permits for buyers and pickers. Jack Czarnecki, former chef and owner of the Joel Palmer House in Dayton, led off in favor of the piece of legislation, followed by John Goetz, without his little truffle dog, too, and some former Oregon State Senator from Eugene they dug up and took out truffle collecting one time. He was amazed by the "devastation" but really had no science background or mushrooming experience. Fear and loathing were whipped up in the form of: Mushroom poisoning scares from people that the bill would not cover; Decreasing yields due to over-collection; and the final cries of hoards of "Out of Staters" trampling the forests in search of truffles. Also speaking in favor of establishing a new Oregon State mushroom bureaucracy was Jim Wells, former mushroom and truffle dealer now hustling produce again, and a representative of the Oregon Small Woodlands Association who's name I missed. He said that it is important to get truffles classified as mushrooms so they are covered under the special forest products since they are apparently not technically mushrooms and so are not covered under existing law. People speaking against the bill included mushroom buyers Rick Pine, Ralph Siegfried, Arley Smith, Lars Norgren and Matt Briggs. People with neutral positions included the President of the Oregon Mycology Society came out in opposition to the current bill, even though the sponsors of the bill admitted that it was hurriedly crafted and they have amended it to exclude the ma and pa crowd. Also weighing in with neutral information was Ron Exeter, botanist and mushroom contracting officer for the Salem District of the Bureau of Land Management. A representative from the Oregon Department of Forestry stated that the State of Oregon wrote about $6000 in mushroom permits last year. So really, what is this all about anyway?


User_Name: Shroomertom
Date: Thursday March 14, 2013
Time: 08:09 AM

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Additional information on filing comments on SB 578 for incorporation into the minutes of today's public hearing at the Rural Communities and Economic Development committee of the Oregon State Senate can be found at: http://members.tripod.com/tgmy/


User_Name: PickerForFun
Date: Thursday March 14, 2013
Time: 08:03 AM

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I plan to see some of my friends in Salem today when we testify at the Public Hearing. Anyone else coming? Be down at the State Capitol before 3:00 pm.


User_Name: Couch picker
Date: Thursday March 14, 2013
Time: 12:09 AM

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Note to self. Never talk about mushrooms you may have spotted on T.V. That's a Couch potato picker! empty bags you all!! pass the Chips


User_Name: Steve from Oregon
Date: Tuesday March 12, 2013
Time: 09:21 PM

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Hello, Germany what episode was Parker on when he noticed the boletes? Watched most of the episodes guess I missed it?


User_Name: NosePickin'
Date: Sunday March 10, 2013
Time: 09:48 PM

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The next hearing on the wild mushroom harvest bill is in Committee THIS THURSDAY in Salem at 3 p.m., March 14, 2013 ROOM: HR C Agenda 2: Public Hearing, SB578, Prohibits harvesting of wild mushrooms without wild mushroom harvesting permit. 3: Public Hearing, SB715, Requires harvesting in areas of Tillamook State Forest and Clatsop State Forest exhibiting moderate to extreme occurrence of Swiss needle cast disease. The hearing is by the Senate Committee on Rural Communities and Economic Development Room 347, 503-986-1733. I would not be opposed to this Bill if the timber companies would be forced to offer permits but that is not in the Bill. The Bill would only require permits not require them to be sold. I will testify. Any more ideas?


User_Name: NosePickin'
Date: Sunday March 10, 2013
Time: 09:27 PM

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OOOOOO, gossip!!!! OOOOOOOO, legislation! Just another move to ensure that our food supply is only provided by corporations that buy legislators. What do you expect when the big mushroom companies hookup with the major land management corporations? We need a buying permit to sell mushrooms to our neighbors? Another crappy tax? There are only a few people qualified to confirm the identity of many of the items that I collect and sell. The Oregon Health Authority doesn't even have a clue. Just look at the names they list for the mushrooms on the direct sale forms. Weyerhaeuser already owns the cops. Around here least they pay the county sheriffs to patrol their lands and the police give Weyerhaeuser information on ongoing criminal investigations. Anyone the police don't like are denied permits and contracts. Locally, one land manglement corporation stopped selling mushroom stumpage permits because the corp is now running Mexican crews. Don't know how long that will last though as it has made him internally unpopular. There has been an increase in enforcement on the local timber company truffle patches. One of the former-union now-scab diggers got busted last year with one of his crew and this year the police are all over the patches looking for the diggers by name. Just a coincidence, I am certain. The police have been arresting truffle collectors of all types throughout Polk, Benton and Lincoln Counties. The fines vary with the Court. People have been arrested just walking in or near truffle patches. Don't TAZE me, Bro.


User_Name: wild side
Date: Sunday March 10, 2013
Time: 03:31 PM

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looking to sell Fresh Morels this spring (Canada only) contact to arrange. weilerhart@shaw.ca


User_Name: Golden Lobo
Date: Saturday March 09, 2013
Time: 08:54 PM

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Matsiman; It was during a day earlier this week, I had tried the campground number first and then realized that it was too early. That is when I called the cell and then the number listed on the site. I shall try the campground this evening.


User_Name: Northwestjones
Date: Saturday March 09, 2013
Time: 01:50 PM

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The weather is looking good so far eh? Anybody spot any river morels yet in the lowlands? None for me yet, still too early to say.


User_Name: Matsiman
Date: Saturday March 09, 2013
Time: 07:33 AM

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I was contacted by a mycological society in the state of Oregon about proposed legislation concerning state permits for special forest products in the state.

Link to legislation proposed: https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/CommitteeMeetingDocument/1748

Contact for comments:
Legislative Committee Services
Phone: 503-986-1733
Fax: 503-986-1814
racquel.rancier@state.or.us


User_Name: Matsiman
Date: Saturday March 09, 2013
Time: 07:22 AM

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Golden Lobo, that number is not good anymore. I need to update the page. You can call me at 541 592 3311. That's the number to the campground. Best time to call would be 4 to 7 pm. We can't call long distance cause this is a government phone. Matsiman


User_Name: Golden Lobo
Date: Friday March 08, 2013
Time: 09:02 PM

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Matsiman, I tried calling your number listed on this site but got a man who says that he has had that number for a year. Is that number still valid, perhaps I transposed it?


User_Name: Matsiman
Date: Friday March 08, 2013
Time: 07:28 PM

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Golden Lobo, not selling the machine anymore. I have made a agreement with a couple of guys to finish development, manufacture and market the machine. They should have it ready in a couple of months. Have no idea what the price will be, but I'll probably post a link here. Matsiman


User_Name: Golden Lobo
Date: Friday March 08, 2013
Time: 03:58 PM

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Boletus Joe; I had not previously tried to get it online but a google search brought up year #3. http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/gold-rush/videos/hauling-dirt.htm


User_Name: Boletus joe
Date: Friday March 08, 2013
Time: 01:29 PM

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Damn I google this program but I keep coming up with "Black Gold" Do you know the proper name.... or is that it "Gold Rush"??


User_Name: Boletus Joe
Date: Friday March 08, 2013
Time: 01:26 PM

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Hello germany17..... Do you happen to know the episode # of the Gold Rush program you were watching.... or perhaps the date..... Thanks


User_Name: Golden Lobo
Date: Friday March 08, 2013
Time: 01:23 PM

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w0w germany17, I never noticed them, is he on the quad or in the truck. It does not come on here until about dinnertime but will need to watch again. Re-runs of Bearing Sea start in about 45 minutes here. ............. Matsiman; how is that thumper-box working out, hopefully I will be able to see one and possibly purchase this summer if the mushroom & gold God shares his bounty with me.


User_Name: Oregon John
Date: Friday March 08, 2013
Time: 11:57 AM

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Anyone know What happened to Lind Bell


User_Name: germany17
Date: Friday March 08, 2013
Time: 08:21 AM

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Watching an episode of Gold Rush. Parker was messing around up the creek looking for new ground. In the background on a road bank were 4 King boletus. Thought that was pretty cool to see and identify on TV.


User_Name: Mike Brat
Date: Wednesday March 06, 2013
Time: 04:26 PM

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Hello all , have not been on here in a long while. Am looking to pick morels this year with one or two others , we are all experienced and looking for any areas in BC. Are there any out there for this year ? We like to just pick for one buyer, if interested email me at mikebrat@hotmail.com Thanks and have a great day ;-)


User_Name: Lobo
Date: Wednesday March 06, 2013
Time: 03:15 PM

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Thank You August, I had wanted to leave your cell phone minutes for others to contact you and was hoping that you would update us here on this board as to your status & what is transpiring. Did you get a PO Box yet ?


User_Name: Mad Morel
Date: Wednesday March 06, 2013
Time: 12:35 AM

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Lobo,yes I have for a short time and then I well be lost in wifi. We have seen new snow down low but it well not stay around for long as the weatherman said it well warm up to the sixty's this weekend but well it stay?. So much for the Ground Hog back East and there in for more of the same as I see it all of March. Easter well be snowy and cold East of the Mississippi to the Great Lake's to the northeast and someone we know back there well be picking ice and snow morel's Duncan?. Now for the up date I well post it later as I have a meeting with the Reporter.


User_Name: curious
Date: Tuesday March 05, 2013
Time: 03:07 PM

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Can anyone tell me if they have logged the airport in Terrace?I heard that it was leveled.


User_Name: Lobo
Date: Tuesday March 05, 2013
Time: 07:49 AM

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August, I see that you have been posting on Facebook and thus have gained computer access much quicker than you previously projected. Please give us an update on your situation.


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