User_Name: Lone Lobo
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009
Time: 10:32:06 AM

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ZiQuinn; snowed over here also on all my late morel patches.


User_Name: ZiQuinn
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009
Time: 08:09:47 AM

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It snowed on me at 4,000 ft. Last eve... Get ready....


User_Name: Lone Lobo
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009
Time: 11:22:40 AM

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w0w, not much activity currently here. Sadie says that she is getting better, but August is down with the flu and doesn't even feel like talking on the phone. Hope you feel better soon 'A'.


User_Name: manicjon
Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009
Time: 03:07:52 PM

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DuferDufer; I do human study research on what transpires in some fungal situations and would be most interested if you could send me any particulars about your mushroom matron and if what you are referring to occurred at the Dufur RS or another site. I spoke with a forest law enforcement supervisor who was out checking permits this summer and he mentioned that there would be many surprised foragers this winter when a knock comes at their door. I just wish he would have shared more than that with me but it certainly caused my attention to focus more, I could not get any particulars out of him about how they track suspected illicit foragers. I guess he was afraid that I would share it on sites such as this one. .......... for email purposes use the same name as above and add; holmes at yahoo dot com


User_Name: Lone Lobo
Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009
Time: 11:11:35 AM

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August; I think that what you do is good for those involved and I wish you well and full-buckets in your endeavors. I have a young sweet friend coming in later today to go foraging for placer gold with me. ..... TruffleDog and DuferDufer, I hope it does not come down to Big Brother placing GPS devices on picker vehicles to see what they are doing or those little tags into mushrooms like they do for salmon to count them when they pass a check point... I would not doubt that similar such things are planed or in the works or rattling around in some forest Rangers brain. It almost sounds like it has already been done in the Mount Hood area. I know that when I obtained my permit at the Dufur Ranger District this year, a ranger person told me a similar story of a lady from Montana who came in for her permit last year and was very angry about a foray conducted by an outfit from Georgia. They said that it had been investigated but because several days had passed between her reporting of it and the period of involvement, it was placed on a back burner for the time being. I figured that they told me of it to let me know that they are watching foragers from other states and thus cause me to toe the line.


User_Name: A"
Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009
Time: 09:46:32 AM

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I'm home and may go out this weekend. T,dog I do it because i found that people need to learn an even I still learn from other's now and then. bucket's to you all.


User_Name: CleElumGrl
Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009
Time: 10:22:02 PM

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Back to basics: There are numerous boletes out there, I've been told. I've been canning. One was brought to me. I didn't pay attention to it because they brought a big amanita w/it and I wanted them away from what I was doing. Husband just went hunting again, found king boletes and the same shroom someone else brought me. I now looked at it closer and realized it was a slippery jack but because it was older, big, "not use to" it was not slippery but you can peel the skin off. The one thing when I look it up they say has no distinc smell. Well, they smell lemony to me distincly. How about you? Also what is your thought of cooking. I have before, but can't remember now. I don't want to self pick more than I can eat and what I remember I liked them. You?


User_Name: JDS
Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009
Time: 05:49:45 PM

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Looks like the braggers board is alive and well.


User_Name: DuferDufer
Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009
Time: 10:43:44 AM

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TruffleDog, this is aqn interesting worm can of discussion. A middle aged matron from Montana came here about a year and a half ago in spring to obtaina free personal use mushroom permit and bye-the-bye complained about an alleged commercial mushroom foray that had been recently been conducted in the Badger Creek Wilderness. Often when someone registers this type of complaint there might be an ulterior motive attached and thus the flag of suspicion rises to the fore. Electronic devices may be used to track such persons and it might take years of observation before their behavior is taken to court. This matron went to the same wilderness area that she complained about and seemed to have prior knowledge of where to forage for morels so perhaps friends had informed her where to go. There may have been a motive in her whistle-blowing, she may have desired to keep the burn for her or friends personal use or was she wishful of ratting-out someone she does not like. My advise to everyone is to be mindful of rules and laws, be careful of what you report because it may come back around and bite your own reasr.


User_Name: TruffleDog
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009
Time: 11:54:12 PM

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MadAtMarion - My motto is: "The smartest guy in the room learns nothing." So, here is a continuation of the discussion: FYI - I will not do a mushroom seminar for less than $500 and usually get over $800 (except a couple of times a year that I take the local mushroom club on outings - they give me a $50 speaker fee). The local mushroom club members are usually the first in line for the paid seminars (some have paid for trips to the same locations for several years in a row since they learn more each time- and.... don't tell them but I learn a lot each time, too). I do about 12 mushroom seminars a year (2 morel, 2 spring bolete and 8 fall trips with NO bolete, matsi or peach trips). Truffle seminars are priced on an adjustable scale - the further away the person lives from the Pacific Northwest, the cheaper the fee. Most of the truffle foray attendants are doctors, lawyers and chefs. I do 3 or 4 truffle seminars per season. I don't have to advertise to have full forays. Everybody wants to see the TruffleDog in action (four legged variety is $200 extra per trip w/handler). I teach people how to read ecosystems not just hunt a certain patch. I am more tired after a day of teaching people than a day of full-bore collecting. Sorry no apprentices, wannabes or professional patch collectors allowed. I have all the appropriate licensing for my area, pay the land owners a cut and have insurance. I was asked about doing a couple of seminars in Washington but getting a hiking guide license and tour operators license is a bit much on top of paying the USFS and I don't want to deal with sales tax. The right way to pick is legally. Why should you be excepted from having to follow the laws? That is just kind of scabby (non-union). I really would like to welcome you to the brotherhood but you have to get legal first.


User_Name: TruffleDog
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009
Time: 11:28:22 PM

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Hey, A', we could probably have a great talk over a cup or six of coffee some day. I am full time mushroom picking again starting today. I have been getting boletes since Labor Day Weekend. Just a sputtering here and there. 15 pounds the first time through and all but 4 pounds were buggy. Today I got 8 pounds of number ones with no bugs collecting in two locations. I also got about 30 pounds of white chanties, about a pound of matsis, 5 pounds of non-wormy cats (one of the ones most collectors kick), 3/4 pound of clustered blue chanterelles (not a Cantherellus at all but a Polyozellus),15 pounds of lobsters and another 40 pounds of chanterelles. Isn't that just peachy? The smaller peaches are starting to rot so it will be goldens tomorrow before they roast. I will have to spend the morning delivering but my take for today is over $650. Believe me when I tell you that people like me don't really need a guide to your spots. Tell us, A', why would you give up picking to guide people to your patches?


User_Name: Madmorel
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009
Time: 08:07:37 PM

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It look's to me my bolete's well be on next week and with what I have found they look good some old one's with worm's but with a cool down week's end they should be good. By the way I did find one #1 that was a 1#er. so why whould I give up my picking to guide people like you to some of my best places.


User_Name: A"
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009
Time: 07:40:09 PM

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By the way marion, I like your new name?


User_Name: A"
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009
Time: 07:35:16 PM

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just for your info, there is no wildness trip and where I guide them is safe for teaching them the right way to pick and what is safe to eat. There well be no selling of there pickings and they well take only what is for personnel use. By the what is there something you are not receive from all this?. Just maybe I'll be in your back yard and you don't what the people from the westcoast there. We all had been through this last year and I well not say anymore on this.


User_Name: KH
Date: Monday, September 21, 2009
Time: 01:52:52 PM

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Thanks TruffleDog for your very informative response. And thank you Matsiman for what you have done. With some of the changes going on regarding forest tenures here in BC there is an opportunity to step more towards diversifying forest resources than existed when only the major timber companies held the TFL (Tree Farm Licenses). This is especially so in the new Community Forests where the forest management is locally managed for local benefits. Trying to create a structure where the the costs of silva culture management for longer term sfp benefits is a tough egg to crack. Thanks again for everyone's experience with this and for sharing your thoughts.


User_Name: A' Pinchot and the Matherleys
Date: Monday, September 21, 2009
Time: 12:20:04 PM

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Rocktobers live concert series on the 90 road ( everything is provided ) A unsung bright whimsical brilliant host, an illegal professional guide and a photo journalist who is clueless to the fact he will be stepping into a hornets nest. Permit me to permit the Matherleys, coming to a closed wilderness near you.


User_Name: Matsiman
Date: Monday, September 21, 2009
Time: 12:01:48 PM

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TruffleDog, Thank you for your intelligence and foresight. We designed the paper just for that purpose. The fact is the entire study was to give managers a better understanding of matsi habitat, how to identify, determine treatments necessary to conserve or enhance, and demonstrate to others they are sustainable (pick em all), when picked properly. Like you said, the rest don't have that. Later Matsiman


User_Name: germany17
Date: Monday, September 21, 2009
Time: 11:39:15 AM

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Very well put TruffleDog.


User_Name: germany17
Date: Monday, September 21, 2009
Time: 11:39:11 AM

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Very well put TruffleDog.


User_Name: TruffleDog
Date: Monday, September 21, 2009
Time: 09:27:10 AM

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A - WWTDAS - What would the District Attorney say? Here are some things that you should consider before setting yourself up for a courtroom appearance. You may think that I have a biting tone, but you are not paying me for advice so live with it or skip this post. Things to consider: How much do you pay the land owners for conducting business on their property? I am sure that the costs of the insurance and hiking guide permit required by the State of Washington will exceed the fees that you will collect from Chris Matherly and the Morel Mushroom Hunting Club. If you don't expect to make any money by leading tours, can you still deduct those expenses from your taxes or are these costs just your donation to a hobby? What - you don't have any insurance, state license, entry permits or collection permits? Everyone got under two gallons and one mushroom per day? No, really? I would not worry about it though, those county forest patrol officers, Washington State Troopers, BLM and USFS LEOs are really understanding guys. After all, you and Chris did get away with charging for mushroom tours without meeting the legal requirements several times last year. There were no photos posted on the web of you personally collecting mushrooms in the wilderness areas, only photos of those that payed Chris and trusted you to guide them. It is like no one even knows that you were there. Do your homework or just continue to wander like a pilgrim in the wilderness - your call. Full Buckets, A, if you have the permits to fill them and drive them home. I would not want to encourage anyone to break the law.


User_Name: TruffleDog
Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009
Time: 09:43:29 PM

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KH- In general down here, there are few benefits to the collector from the land managers. So far, the private land managers have little love for the mushroom trade and the gangs of collectors but are beginning to embrace and actively manage for other SFPs. On BLM lands in areas where permits are issued, the model is straight old-school stumpage fees like timber but little management is done for the fungi except matsutake. There is at least one chanterelle study patch that is located in the Tillamook Resource Area of the Salem BLM from which I have never read any data. On USFS lands, the excuse to collect money for permits is that the revenue is necessary to police the mushroom permit system. When 3000 people show up to pick and each buys a $100 or $200 permit like some years in Crescent Junction, that pays for a lot of LEOs. Because of this cash infusion and the work that our host, Andy, has conducted (he should have been paid tens of thousands of dollars for his research - You don't see the botanists he reported to asking for work on their web sites, they are banking their retirement) I know for certain that matsutake production is considered when forest ground disturbances are planned in known matsutake ground (it also helps when the guy with the paint can marking trees likes mushrooms and knows he is in a good patch). The botanists at the BLM and USFS are able to point to Andy's work as a justification to their superiors to slightly increase retained tree density in certain areas of thins. Less is known about the production and growth requirements for other species of commercially collected ectomycorhizial mushrooms. It appears to me that the spring bolete patches are falling to politically motivated intensive thinning projects but the end result of the thins remain to be seen (see my comment on the mushroom club member in another post). As with chanterelles, thinning bolete patches may increase production for several years due to increased release of nutrients into the soil from the branches and other overstory. My concern is that with thinning in regions with fairly high temps, low humidity, little rainfall and volcanic soils, less water is retained by the soil and the bolete fruiting period is shortened in those patches until sufficient overstory regrowth is obtained to shade the soil, retain more water and extend the fruiting times from one or two flushes to several weeks or more as in the overstocked timber. There is a topic for a new masters or doctorate candidate.


User_Name: Carla
Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009
Time: 02:19:10 AM

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Mattie, I already have more gray than colored hair...lol I try to be faithful about dying it but I get busy with kids and work and it never fails, I get the skunk look going on...lol


User_Name: A"
Date: Friday, September 18, 2009
Time: 10:03:11 PM

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Just like the season's ; they come and they go. Where have all the good one's gone; just like the last one have; in the frying pan.


User_Name: puzzledmattie
Date: Friday, September 18, 2009
Time: 09:00:41 PM

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Thanks Carla and A...just remember.....your turn is coming and it comes really fast...


User_Name: germany17
Date: Friday, September 18, 2009
Time: 01:33:17 PM

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Yes he did. I also left my dog in the patch!!! had to go back and get him. I am making matsi casarol (sp?) tonight. Football and mushrooms!!!!


User_Name: Carla
Date: Friday, September 18, 2009
Time: 11:35:40 AM

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You're not old, you're being blessed with another person to love Mattie :-)


User_Name: Carla
Date: Friday, September 18, 2009
Time: 11:34:45 AM

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Good for you Germany! :-) I bet your buddy loved it too!


User_Name: germany17
Date: Friday, September 18, 2009
Time: 10:49:09 AM

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Went Matsi picking with my buddy yesterday. Found about 90 buttons. Made Matzi burgers!!!!!


User_Name: Carla
Date: Friday, September 18, 2009
Time: 02:31:27 AM

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Now now mattie, a picture is worth a thousand words not a thousand bucks...lol


User_Name: Abc
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009
Time: 11:06:47 PM

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If you cut your hair you my need a real job; and silver blue well why not real silver then you could be rich.


User_Name: puzzledmattie
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009
Time: 06:57:30 PM

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I feel like I should cut my hair short, dye it silver blue and put on bright red lipstick and polyester..NOT..


User_Name: A"
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009
Time: 04:30:36 PM

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Do you fill like dust in the wind; Mattie :)


User_Name: puzzledmattie
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009
Time: 03:16:28 PM

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Just got informed this morning that we are going to be great grandparents...don't feel that old..but guess we are...


User_Name: Carla
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009
Time: 11:57:15 AM

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Hi Everyone :-)


User_Name: germany17
Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009
Time: 12:26:17 PM

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Who just wants to go picking and forget selling. My buddy makes an awesome Sheppards pie anb i can cook good too. I wont sell, i just take pics, pick em and eat em!!!! Vancouver, wa.


User_Name: coastal_gal
Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009
Time: 10:03:08 AM

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Looking to sell Chanterelles in Vancouver. We are pickers from Powell River, and have someone going to Vancouver every two weeks who can deliver. We are just looking for a better buck for our mushrooms than what the buyer is paying here.


User_Name: KH
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009
Time: 08:51:43 PM

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Thanks Carla. That is part of what I was wondering was what benefit to the pickers come from the permit. Your answer deserves at least two pieces of raisin pie (smile)


User_Name: A"
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009
Time: 03:42:09 PM

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Hello all and all a hello. been out picking yellows today and found my first pine of the year. My pc has been down and had to reprogrem it but it still run's slow but I can live with that.


User_Name: Carla
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009
Time: 12:46:29 PM

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Good morning :-)


User_Name: Carla
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009
Time: 09:55:04 PM

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Carla your reply to Keith was G R E A T you get a extra piece of raisin pie good job Carla


User_Name: A"
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009
Time: 09:20:02 PM

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Say there momm's baby; would you give me a call for I lost your #


User_Name: Carla
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009
Time: 08:34:15 PM

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Of course u can Augie as long as ur mom don't mind... ;-)


User_Name: Carla
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009
Time: 08:32:51 PM

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hi Keith, in our area the county forest has little to no benefits for the permitted pickers. They still have to walk down long roads because of the berming ( not sure how to spell that) and tree falling at the beginning of the roads. I asked one time why some of those roads are blocked off and was told that they were tired of people dumping garbage down that particular road.... Truthfully, most of the mushroom pickers are NOT the ones throwing their garbage out in the woods. They need to start looking at the teens who like to "park" and party in those areas along with other people that may or may not have any legitimate business in the woods at all. Such as those who cannot afford to use the dump :-(


User_Name: Keith Hunter
Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009
Time: 06:58:46 PM

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Have those of you in the US buying permits found that the land managers work to maintain better access to productive ground or to conduct the silvaculture that would assist in producing a better abundance of the resources? I ask this because I am dealing with several timber companies and other resource managers and with my thinking is that if a permit is required then there should be some management benefits also provided. I was just wondering how this works out on lands being permitted in the States.


User_Name: Lone Lobo
Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009
Time: 06:34:42 PM

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augie: I see that you are back home from your California summer vacation, just have August work you harder foraging for them mushrooms and soon you will be hairy like dad even without the coffee... lol


User_Name: Grandfather clause
Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009
Time: 04:04:51 PM

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What is a permit !. I sometimes buy one and other times I don't need to if there not out to write a ticket's. I live in a land that is free to do the right thing, and what is that right?. God gave us the land to work and eat from the land and to care for the land and leave what we don't need. If your picking Mushrooms it's best to keep to yourself on what your doing and if ask just say your picking to take some home with you and play Dum.!!!


User_Name: augie
Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009
Time: 01:05:28 PM

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HI!!! Carla.can i please have my coffee so i grow a hariy chest


User_Name: CleElumGrl
Date: Friday, September 11, 2009
Time: 02:56:07 PM

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Thank you for the information. They def do not make this easy. What a pain to have to locate the right number/offices in each forest, district, county or whatever to make sure you are legal. If they can give you a ticket then they should make the information/permits more easily accessable to obtain.


User_Name: Matsiman
Date: Friday, September 11, 2009
Time: 05:32:35 AM

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CleElumGrl, I'll try to explain the permit confusion. manicjon is correct in dealing with US Government lands. Permit requirements may vary from district to district. I can tell ya this, Federal law requires a permit for any special forest product harvested. Permits may be free at the district, but you must have one to be technically legal. State lands are governed by the state so you need to contact state forestry. County lands are governed by county, so you need to check with them. Private lands require written permission from the property owner. State laws may vary for permit requirements. Here in OR, the state doesn't require a permit to pick, but does require a permit to transport on state highways.

It's really simple. Have a permit for the land you pick. I get a free use permit to do the matsi study and the few chanties I pick and give away.


User_Name: manicjon
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009
Time: 02:46:30 PM

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I have found that National Forest permit requirements can be different in the same forest depending upon which district I am in and can get an OK in Naches for picking personal use without a permit but at the Supervisors Office the story may be different. The S.O. may tell me that a paid permit is required forest wide for more than a limited amount, yet in Naches they have told me in the past that they do not have commercial permits because there are no mushrooms. Yet the S.O. in the required me to obtain a paid permit for all of the Wenatchee Districts. I find that it is best to call and check with the Special Forest Products person at the S.O. of any National Forest if I desire to be legal and thus avoid the need to constantly look over my shoulder for a gung-ho forest worker with a ticket book. .... I am aware that many ignore and rules or do not even check with the S.O. & I respect their right to do as their conscience guides them.... as for me, I desire to sleep with my conscience clear whenever possible.


User_Name: CleElumGrl
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009
Time: 12:47:31 PM

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Same ole question; I keep getting told different things about permits for personal use mushroom picking here in Wa State. Wa site reads a permit is only required if you are harvesting over 5 gallons of a single species of wild edible mushroom. Now where are we to find online information about where your not to pick/off limits to where you can. This is crazy...


User_Name: stupid FF
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009
Time: 12:42:30 AM

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what brother B!!!


User_Name: myers
Date: Wednesday, September 09, 2009
Time: 08:29:01 AM

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White oak for sale. We have white oak here in oregon. It is all standing and green. We can cut whatever size needed. Please feel free to give me a call 503-956-5489 Thanks Matt


User_Name: rainbow warrior
Date: Sunday, September 06, 2009
Time: 04:46:44 PM

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hey boletus joe...... you said dry dry dry or cry cry cry............ I add EAT EAT EAT happy picking :)


User_Name: vanisleguy
Date: Sunday, September 06, 2009
Time: 12:17:46 PM

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Hello, I'm new to matsiman. Not new to picking though. Read a bunch of the posts. Sounds like a lot of commercial pickers here. Sounds like you all know each other and pick together sometimes. How many Vanc. Island folks on here? might be fun to go out picking some time. I have wheels, more or less... and love coffee. ... btw, anyone hear how things are up at the north end of the island yet? or on Haida Gwaii? thinking about a road trip soon, before thanksgiving. And driers: is Berron still in business? they made a really good one a few years ago, and were on Saltspring, I think. Also not hard to make one. there's some great designs out there for temporary ones. I seen one made of 2x2's, mesh and poly and a bunch of bolts and wingnuts that's quick to put together and take apart, and flattens out to fit in vans or planes or choppers. only about $70 to make it, or less if you scrounge stuff like I do, and it can handle about 50 lbs of fresh morels no worries. you just need a breeze and hopefully some sunshine. full buckets


User_Name: Boletus Joe
Date: Friday, September 04, 2009
Time: 11:20:09 AM

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Next year is going to be a "DRYING" year for morels.... what with the number of fires. I can't see any kind of fresh market price holding up for more than the first 2 weeks of April.... So before everyone starts crying about the low prices next year.... It might be a good idea to invest in a good dryer..... Also it is shaping up weather wise to be another year like '04. So the price on Matsi might hit the skids again. I hate to be the bearer of bad news..... But that's what I see in 'my somewhat foggy' crystal ball..... Lots of shrooms, and low prices..... Dry Dry Dry....or CRY CRY CRY.... BTW------ There is no market for channies in Japan, last time I checked.


User_Name: Severstem
Date: Thursday, September 03, 2009
Time: 08:43:36 AM

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japan market outlook for chantrell mushrooms


User_Name: bcboy69
Date: Tuesday, September 01, 2009
Time: 02:50:42 PM

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hey there it should be good morel picking in wesbank bc where the terrace mtn fire was right in my brothers backyard i am gonna be picking for sure next spring cheers


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