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User_Name: newjay MessagesCan anyone tell me what the going prices for black and white truffles are and also lobsters in the portland area please User_Name: hermit1 Messagesanyone know about mushroom buyers in cave junction area? User_Name: mushroomdave Messagesthanks shroomkid, it was growing by an alder and no i did not eat it, thanks again and happy picking User_Name: Lobo MessagesFapper; I possibly could help with your morel questions, if you wish I answer most questions people ask here via Email. I have been going through my mushroom files to get photos for updating the blogs and hopefully will finish soon. ........ The last couple of days I have been cocking a large pot of chili with yellow feet chanterelles that Joe D. gave me last year in Oregon. I re-hydrated them in whole milk in the refrigerator for twenty four hours before adding them to the pot; I do the same with dried morels. User_Name: Fapper MessagesOk I get it we're moving on to truffle discussion now. Or not. I would like to discuss the coming morel season If that's ok. Especially areas that may be available where I live. Truffles are so narrow a field and unless you get on private land (permission required} at low elevation you never find them. User_Name: some picker MessagesDeer truffle or Rhizopogonaceae, a false truffle, keep looking and good luck. Nats field guide to truffles can be handy. User_Name: shroomkid Messageshi mushroom dave, did the "truffle" grow near alders? And was it a dark orange colour, almost like rust, inside? If so, it is a species of false truffle, that grows on alders, somewhat underground, and can be brought close to the surface by rains. I'll find the name of it for you. I hope you didn't eat it. :) Also, matsiman, yes, you are absolutely right, shrooming is fun for me now, and provides me with some delicious food, and some maybe for my family and friends if I do well. :) It hasn't been the epic year here on VI that it was last year, but the cool and interesting, non-edibles have been fairly abundant, and my nerdy side has been in full swing. It's also been fun to learn some Russian and eastern European recipes this year too. Has anyone tasted slippery jacks yet? some of them are quite nice, when you peel the slimy skin off. Full buckets! User_Name: Spinner chicks MessagesWell we don't care to get involved in other peoples issues but can say it was bad for pines for a reason. Bad weather. Plus worms were really bad this season too. Our friends who have been picking mushrooms for a long time say there hasn't been a really good season for matsatake for many years. Personal use pickers aside how many people can actually make money doing this for other than a short term part time hobby. Nobody. User_Name: Lily15 MessagesHi Mushroomer there were four buyers in Hope and one (who I have sold to) was going from Boston Bar to Hope on a daily basis to buy. The last prices were 10, 10, 8, 5 (the buyer was grading the #2's as 1's). Slim pickings around Hope now but you never know as it's been warmer and drier for a few days. There was a buyer (who I am unfamiliar with) set up in Boston Bar last weekend. I didn't stop to ask about the prices. You can call Robin 780-830-6126 as he was buying in both Hope and Boston Bar last weekend. P.S. I believe in sharing information and helping other pickers. Good luck to you! User_Name: Ron MessagesOk for those who don't know, heres the thing - I am in wa and I can say for fact regular buyers didn't even bother coming to randle this year. It was just a bad season for matsis. So again to help those who seem confused, I am speaking in terms of commercially profitable harvest, not recreational. User_Name: Mad morel MessagesMatsutake this year came around on sept, and every now and then we find 5 or 6 buttons 1/3 to 1/2 lb but there deep down and if one dose not know what to look for they well miss them. There not easly to see this year but as long as this weather hold's and no snow or freezing temp's we well find them and big in size. User_Name: Mad morel MessagesI would go just for two buckets are two basket's of any mushroom (and I did about everyday this summer)that pay's well and sale the photo's I take. Two basket of chanterelle's for one and a half to two hour's walking very slowly to not step on them was to overwhelmed with so many. Bucket's full in 45 min's the rest of the time was photo's and video's. I would do it even if there was none. User_Name: Mad morel MessagesIt's not over tell the snow fall and stay's tell spring. It's just one of those year's when everything look's good "But" something is missing. I Last year the snow never come down from 4800'feet tell end of Feb, by then it was to late for Morel's and most fire burn's did very poor if at all. Morchella Conica was lost to lack of snow as well as Morchella Elata but I found that Morchella Esclenta did the best of all if your only picking for yourself.Spring Boletes from where I live and then some it was good only for the worm's and those other's of the forest, even some people.! Chanterelle's, They came on this year on time as they alway's have +/- of day's but what the key to there growth was the rain. In July around the 10th temp's were in 90'S 100's and rain fall is just about 0.01 if any at all. Wehad 3"to"6 with some flash floods up high and again around the end of july ans the frist of August and again on the 24th of August and still in the 100's all summer and into fall. But july's rain and showers for two day"s was all I needed for a long chanterelle season that's still doing well even with this rain it's just a + for and no s - for- "Snow" so early. Buy the way I enjoy going out and finding patchy's going wild and I have found taking photo's and video's of my find's and posting them with other's and yes I also like the exter cash that can coming along every now and then. lol User_Name: mushroomer Messageswhats the prices also in b.c or states User_Name: JDS MessagesThe one pound Matsi I found two days ago wasn't a button, it was a huge cap. I did find an 11 ounce button last week...it was at the base of a tree I had looked at about five days earlier, and nothing was there then. There have been two flushes where I'm picking, and things will probably start slowing down. Fapper...I'm smack dab in Western Washington. I guess things are a little different here this year than where you are. User_Name: mushroomer Messagesdoes anyone have the time to let me no whats going on on the island or powel river , boston bar anyone got the time please to message this info User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 23 Hour Count 486. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman MessagesMorning All, I see we had some negative posts last night. Let's not go there please. Mushroom picking is not all about money. Believe it or not, some of us enjoy the hunt. Money is a perk to many who pick. Matsiman User_Name: scpicker MessagesAll over? Lol....its anything but over where I am but keep telling yourself that! Saw pickers with 40+ lbs of buttons just yesterday. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesWOW! User_Name: Fishgod MessagesHoly cow, those are some huge specimens! Can't say I have ever found buttons close to that size. 1/2 lb is probably the bigger buttons on my part. Nice pics! User_Name: garf Messagesthat picking sounds amazing mushroom slayer ...personally i have never seen an area where i have picked two days before have more huge buttons 2 days later ... that is faster than i have ever seen them grow .... this year they are taking forever to grow and not getting big although i do get little clubs .. not a great season and a lot of rain recently like we can use a few nice days nowwwww... i have found a 4 day gap at the least to pop more big buttons ,usually 6 or 7 ... you must have had perfect conditions .. full buckets and back to the woodpile if the logs arent floating... User_Name: Ron MessagesSo jds found some shrooms. Woohoo that's great so did we. But commercially viable amounts? Not around here. It's one thing to find mushrooms and another to find them enough to make money. Who runs all over hells half acre for a few pounds or bucket of anything? Not me or anybody I know that's for sure! User_Name: Fapper MessagesWell reality is what it is. I don't think pretending or guessing gets anybody money from mushrooms. Spinner chicks get info directly from me, for one, and I'm smack dab in the heart of Canada matsi country. A good commercial season it was definitely not. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFishgod, http://matsiman.com/gallery/visitorpix/boletus_joes_280.htm I think there is one bigger in the Gallery http://matsiman.com/gallery/visitorpix/button_of_day_2.88.htm . Matsiman User_Name: mushroomdave Messagesanyone ever find orange truffles its the second one i found in the same area as last year User_Name: Fishgod MessagesMy mistake it was JDS who got the 1lb button that should have been bronzed, that is a massive shroomie! User_Name: Fishgod MessagesSlayer, sounds like great times! I didn't get out much this time in Vancouver or Fraser valley/canyon area as its been raining like crazy and the areas I pick are so steep that's when it's wet a bad step could be bad news. Good to hear that some folks have had a productive season. A 1lb button....... You shoulda had it bronzed lol! User_Name: Mushroom slayer MessagesLet me be more clear. That was 20 to 50 pounds per day # 1 for a month. And huge chunky buttons. Two patches were putting out monster buttons every second day for a month. It was amazing. User_Name: Matsiman Messages
JDS, Spell check? Nothing I did. If I knew how to install
here on the board, I would. Probably something on your set up.
Thanks for the info on the season's out come. I thought
Spinner Chicks made too broad a statement. I know Mad Morel had a fantastic
season with chanties and have heard of some moderate flushes of matsi to the
north. The South Oregon Coast as well as CJ are still in the running for
matsi. Must admit it doesn't look good here in CJ. Early to mid season
patches are flushing a small amount now, but not many babies. I would guess
the average picker might come up with an average of 4 or 5 pounds a day in
the next couple weeks, with some luck. This flush is still 60% buttons,
depending on where your patches are located. Can find a 4 to 6 cluster
rarely and 1 or 2 in a few nearby patches. That's what I have seen and a few
other pickers I have talked with. We still have a chance to form a crop if
temps hold where they are. It's not over till it's over. Matsiman
User_Name: JDS MessagesSpinner Chicks...Your sweeping statement about a "very poor crop everywhere" is just plain wrong. I won't get into specific amounts, but just yesterday I picked a good quantity of Matsi's. One weighed exactly one pound, and many were nice buttons. As for Chanterelles, my neighbors and I went out a couple of weeks ago and did very well in a patch that I have been going to for years, and it was just about as good as I have ever seen it. Whoever gave you your information doesn't know everything about every location. Matsiman...Is the spellcheck something new? I don't remember seeing it before. User_Name: Mushroom slayer MessagesI personally had one of my best years. 20 to 50 pounds pinde # 1. From sept 18 to oct. 17. And 30lbs chantrell a day from August. 26 to sept 15. West kootenay. Also I have established my own markets for acceptable prices. User_Name: Spinner Chicks MessagesNow that's it's over we can see with the help of 20 20 hindsight it was indeed a very poor crop everywhere for all types of mushrooms. I know from our personal experience and also because we have contacts from the lower Or coast to Canada and professional harvester friends. Oh I know a few people got some and some commercials maybe came close to making expenses, lol, but for the most part it was not good anywhere. That's mushrooms! Anybody trying to scratch out a few bucks now is wasting their time and money for sure. Sadly, The people who were depending on a big season got screwed again but that's what happens when your dependent on mother nature and aren't diversified enough to get through bad seasons. I for one am looking forward to spring morels. It's only four months from now give or take. Should be awesome for those willing to work! User_Name: wangster MessagesAnyone know of a buyer in Terrace or Kitwanga who will be open this weekend? User_Name: wangster MessagesAny buyers in Terrace or Kitwanga this weekend? User_Name: Gennda Messagesthis year there are tons of lobster mushrooms in whatcom county.i discovered a lawn next to a lake full of perfect clean 25cent size chanterelles just perfect for marinating.Did any of you watch the hundred foot journey at shows boletus in France (cepes steinpilz porcini)good movie to watch with wife Gennda User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour Count 387. Matsiman User_Name: cranberrydawg MessagesSoggy dawgs and pin worms yuck. Central Island looking bleak at the moment. Frost in the morning and warm afternoons is a winning combination for pines in my neck of the woods. A blanket of snow is never a huge cause for concern either, so long as it melts. Little critters are hard to find under there. Oh and thanks for the info Garf. User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesMmmm, Matsutake ramen. I thought I would try it it's actually good very good. User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesGennda,when the ground is frozen then the pine are finished. I'm still finding a few here and there but I'm also finding wormy ones.the percentage is still 50/50 but there aren't very many. Lucky for me there's other shrooms to pick besides pine to make up the difference otherwise I think I'd call it quits.good luck and be safe to those that are still sticking it out. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesThanks guys for the nettle info! Venda, two ways I have frozen matsutake, vaccum seal and freeze or blanch and freeze. They will never be as good as fresh but better than nothing. You could also pickle, can or dry them. I find matsutake lose some flavour when dried. User_Name: blake MessagesWhat is the price of pine mushrooms today in Powell River? User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour Count 504. Matsiman User_Name: Gennda MessagesA friend asked me what is the difference of leaving a partial stem vs the whole Mushroom??I told him to make sure to pull the whole pine mushroom out.What is the best way to freeze matsutake ??I used the alluminum foil with raw bottoms before User_Name: Matsiman MessagesVenda, Harvesting mushrooms is much like picking an apple. The fruit is removed but the organism remains to fruit again. Comes from this page http://matsiman.com/introduction.htm Don't think it makes any difference from an environmental point of view. Matsiman User_Name: scpicker MessagesIt would no longer be #1 if the stalk is broken. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesGennda, hard to answer your question. It depends on how cold it gets in the patches you pick. You can have a hard freeze and still pick. Canopy closure and depth of leaf/needle layer both have an influence in how cold it gets in your patches. A warm up after a hard freeze will start growth again. No more will form, but the ones formed will continue to grow with warming. If the mushroom freezes, they are not marketable. Wrinkled gills indicate freezing. Anybody else have something to add? Matsiman User_Name: Venda MessagesA friend asked me what is the differente of leaving a partial stem vs the whole Mushroom?? User_Name: Gennda MessagesAt what temperature do pines stop.Got some nuce ones last weekend. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesAlso Linked Here. Visitor Articles and Letters Matsiman User_Name: shroomkid MessagesHi fishgod, I picked nettles for my market stand a few years ago, and then one season did two smaller picks for a VI soap maker. Also picked and sold watercress. All of this was direct sales, to an interested population. I just pick them for me and my family now. yummy. also good for your hair and skin, as a rinse, if you make a strong tea with it. and of course, an excellent spinach substitute. I pick it when it is between 3" and 8" tall. and then maybe come back to the get the resprouts in a couple weeks. depends on the year and if they grew fast or not. the faster the growth, the sweeter and more tender they are. good luck. User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesFish god I pick nettles every spring for myself. When you cook them the sting is destroyed and they taste just like spinach but better imo. User_Name: Mushroom Bandit MessagesIf Fast Freddy didn't get any shrooms I don't think things are gonna turn around down there. If anyone's thinking of moving on check the long term forcast of where your going. I didn't do that late in the year a couple years ago and paid for it!! User_Name: Matsiman Messagessome picker, You lost me with your last post. Yep I thought the same about cocorra. There a pain in the butt. Look too much like matsi from a short distance. Makes you go wah who and look. Matsiman User_Name: some picker Messagesandy, I disagree with, "the forest is more complex" isn't the fungal community part of the forest and an integral part of its complexity. This discussion of temps and moisture is interesting, my own opinion is that fruiting patterns are dependent on many factors, age and condition of the trees, temp, moisture, not only for one season but for years, wind, dna, global warming, harvesting practices, etc. etc. .. Lots or cocorra here too, a bit to the west of you, I used to think that was a good sign for the pines, now, not so sure. User_Name: shroomer Messagesjust heard,boomer is to open again.....WAHOO...IN A FEW DAYS. User_Name: Junmity MessagesAnyone know if the pine mushroom buyers are still open in the boston bar area? User_Name: Fishgod Messageshttp://naturalsociety.com/29-nettle-tea-benefits-health-herb/ And I guess this is why there is a market for nettles. Has anyone on the board harvested them I wonder? User_Name: Fishgod MessagesHi all, when I spoke with the buyer yesterday he suggested that matsutake aren't quite as popular overseas as they once were as the younger generations are more into other foods these days. Guess it kinda makes sense and reflects the prices to some degree. I have never sold my harvest but from what I have observed the high prices paid in the past will remain there. Gravy trains never last it seems. On another note Fred was telling me that late April there is a market for stinging nettles at $4/lb followed by fiddle heads before morel season. Wow.......imagine what 100lbs of nettles looks like not to mention the suit one would wear lol! User_Name: shroomer Messageswell I guess that's the season. buyers are closing in terrace and are waiting to see if the nass buyers are closing or not. chung and west coasts...lots of mushrooms and buyers are leaving.new pop starting to0, they closing the doors.find out in next few days as terrace is closing,today or tomorrow......pickers seem to pay the price........happy trails, if your following the hunt....time to cut and dry.still looks like 2 weeks here...every where you go,fresh bottons I guess they have to much crap in storage to get rid of.sales be hard when you have crap, till next yr,good luck.been 6 in terrace and 8 in the nass.and the games goes on.prices dropped on all other varities 2/3 bucks per lb. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesBoletus Joe, Read the page. Great stuff, but I think they were talking about human food crops. World hunger and all. A forest is far more complex. Thanks for the link, Matsiman User_Name: Boletus Joe MessagesThis is fir Matsiman, and any interested parties..... Although it is talking about "root" systems I think it could be expanded upon. See the second to last paragraph. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/first-direct-observations-of-how-roots-grow/ User_Name: Matsiman MessagesI've had enough time to estimate count of visitors per day. Although the counter indicates about 500, the actual number is more like 150 to 160. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour Count 514. Matsiman User_Name: shroomkid MessagesHi gang, just a little culinary secret for those of us picking waterlogged or slightly older chanterelles: parboil them for 45 or 50 seconds, drain them, and then cook them up the way you always do. You'll find them firmer and hold together better. :) Enjoy. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesNew photo from visitor. Wade's 1/2 Pounder Matsiman User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesI even gave the buying parties bank and tax statements and I believe they would have paid more but I had to be fair. I think they sold the business in the last year or two to someone else in the business but not sure for how much. But the business is still there. User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesHello all, King I completely understand what you mean by to high of a lease and or rent charges. This is part of why I sold the dog business. I was honest with the buyers and they got a good price. I knew we were also in a recession if not a depression and probably still are. If I sold it two years previously I would have got at least double the amount. Oh well as is life. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFishgod, keeping records is a pain sometimes, but beneficial in the end. In a few seasons, you'll be telling us what's happening. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman Messages
conicalifornia, That's interesting and thanks for the
response.
Back in the mid 90's I was working with an
international broker who knew
allot about matsi. He was always asking how much snow and how cold it got
the previous winter. Never looked at finding a correlation. His staff
mycologist and I became friends and we talked about matsi forming quit a
bit. He said they knew temps in the fall were the key, but had no specific
temps to relate.
I don't think it's that general. Fruiting can be, and
usually is, site specific. If rains you are describing cause a flush to form
in the fall, then why is it patches 10 feet away don't pop 1 single
mushroom. Read some of the last posts. Other visitors have seen only small
areas produce very well while a few feet away, nothing.
I got my first clue comparing 92 to 93 seasons. 92 popped
everywhere on the mountain I pick. 93, only on a specific line up a ridge or
an area in a bowl. We're talking 400 acre exclusive picking with dozens of
finger ridges. Pretty evident moisture wasn't playing much of a roll, unless
some special moisture fell on those patches alone, spring, summer or fall.
I then compared 93 and 95. Formation started at
nearly the same temps, the temp pattern was nearly the same, the fruiting
was in the exact same patches and nearly the same poundage. It is a rarity
to find 2 seasons so alike.
http://matsiman.com/fruitform.htm
In addition, many areas have wet soils from beginning to
end of formation and in some cases, all summer. No dry soils to create the
situation you describe. There is a place on the Oregon Coast that has
produced matsi every month of the year and it is a wet area. Cave Junction
is never dry during formation or flushes.
What about spring flushes?
I'm not saying your theory has no bearing on fruit
production. I just can't find any. Even if your assumption is correct, it
still takes the proper temps in the fall to produce a crop late spring or
early summer rains or not.
I would really like to examine your theory further.
Nobody understands completely how it works. It very well could be your
theory determines how much primordia is available to produce pens. Dave Pilz
thought pens were formed in the spring. He doesn't anymore. Can you come up
with any rain stats I could use to evaluate?
If I'm not understanding you right, please clarify User_Name: Fishgod MessagesMatsiman, thanks. Those sheets you sent me are great. I am going to start keeping a journal. I have always kept track of "where" on my gps, now it's time to start keeping better track of "why" User_Name: Fishgod MessagesThe price is still $10/lb User_Name: Fishgod MessagesHi all, Talked to Fred again. They had 4 baskets of yellowfoot come in this evening.White chanties are waterlogged. There have been some decent days for matsutake but today wasn't one of them. They will be set up for at least another week as they feel it is not over yet. Some pickers have been making $300/day. Many pros are not showing up cause they are not happy with prices. Will keep you all posted with any new info I come by User_Name: Fishgod MessagesUpdate: Fred, the buyer from Hope phoned me back and told me they got nothing for mushrooms tonight. He will call me if and when things turn around. User_Name: conicalifornia MessagesIm not challenging your theory about temperatures but think there are many biotic and abiotic factors that dictate how basidiomyctes fruit...i am educated in earth system science and live more on southern fringe of jetstream where forest soil moisture levels fluctuate from being extremely wet in winter to very dry in summer. The observations i have made conclude that after a wet winter and spring the mushrooms fruit in big numbers after very little rain the following fall. I can remember a huge bolete pop on a full moon three years ago after just a sprinkle and the rains barely moistened the earth. I would predict that spring and early summer of 1995 and 1997 were above average in precipitation and as the soils dried out on the surface the subsurface soils remained moist. As the a horizon became aerobic the mycelium produced lots of premordia and then set as temps cooled toward mid august along with the a and b soil horizon drying. Bit of warm up mid september, itsy bitsy rain, and cool down early october and kaboom matsi everywhere with no rain. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFishgod, Sounds like the first formation is still going. Hopefully you have an idea what to expect before the hard freeze or snow. Now that you get my email, I'll send updates every few days. No buyers here yet. Matsiman User_Name: Fishgod MessagesMatsiman, recieved your email and appreciate your taking the time for me, thank you User_Name: Fishgod MessagesFunguy, if you go to the island up towards Toffino would be a good bet. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesYep, Hope is happening......$10/lb. buyer Fred is set up in silver creek at Skinnys grille parking lot. Good luck and full buckets. User_Name: terrace area Messageswe went out on Saturday, didn't find much. we went to pat's she said she is staying open until this Friday cause prices are too low. was $6 a pound. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesLobo, Your welcome, but it's been posted for many years. It's on http://matsiman.com/visitorsarticlesandletters.htm Link also to the right. Matsiman User_Name: mushroom Bandit MessagesHey fundude got tires of groping rotten shrooms too ehh. The only thing I ever bin hearing about is Hope. People have been pretty quiet about it lately, that usually means it poppin. If I didn't have a crazy old lady I'd be out there now. Good luck User_Name: Lobo MessagesMatsiman; Thanks for posting the story by Lawrence Millman. One picker who had to leave his bucket of matsi due to a griz encounter went back a week or so later and the #1's were still tucked in and OK for selling. User_Name: funguy35 MessagesI'm in Nakusp right now, looking for a new place to go pick. What do you guys recommend. Pemberton or Powell RIver or the island? Cheers and good hunting out there User_Name: garf Messagescranberry dawg ...those videos of the zoo you should be able to get someone to transfer them over to cd ... i know some of our old family film we had that done ..dont recall the outfit ..probably just google ..would cost a few bucks but for old cherished memories? just a heads up. The season never really got started here but two days ago i got 30 bucks for 3 mushrooms so that isnt bad ... now if i could get that price for 50 lbs of buttons .. anyhow i have a few buried and like elsewhere they are growing painfully slow... so to go or not to go .. i will wait ..to be closer to vancouver is a distinct advantage when it comes to prices ...private sales are not hard to get if you put in some effort. Anyhow cant make much picking so back to the woodpile as i still have 10 or 15 pickup truckloads to cut split and deliver ... tg for my wallenstien .... i was in the zoo once about 15 years ago ....it was kinda busy and got there late at night ... first time on that road and was dead tired looking for a place and thought ok try here .. It was a friday night as i recall and we were going to set up on a little patch of high and dry fairly close to the bank up to the highway. Soon it became obvious where we were as we had heard of the ZOO when we were camped in Kitwanga . Soon it became apparent that there was a loud and boisterous party going on down in what we would learn later some called the Hollow ... soon a loud report and my partner looked at me and said what was that ? Firecrackers? BEARbanger? I said nope that was either a 270 or 308 and i dont know about you but i am out of here .. way to close for me and with serious drinking going on that was enough... My zoo story ..all half hr of it. went north and camped in the Harper... thats a whole nother story... cheers and full buckets ... shoot me an e-mail i might have some pics later this week ...phantom ,, crandog .. any others ger_takeaguess@hotmail.com .... please re mushrooms User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour Count 535. Matsiman User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesMatsiman,lmao I love it man! Brings back a hole lot of good memories.good luck and be safe out there. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesMatsiman User_Name: cranberrydawg MessagesThe funniest thing was that I called that zone where it all shook down "Grizzly Ridge" LONG before I ever had that encounter. And the area below the ridge, Bunk and I coined "The valley of the pit in your stomach". It had a real strange feeling back there and I suppose it was inevitable I would rub shoulders with that beast eventually. I could smell him for years. User_Name: Shantyman MessagesCDawg Judi says we're on the Island at Christmas visiting kids and grandson. Get me your contact info I would love to sit and gab and see some of those videos. Looking forward to visiting. Andy..ps the sasquatch thing was epic ONLY to be outdone by the grizzlie encounter you described. Still don't have my own bear story after 30 years...humm User_Name: cranberrydawg MessagesGood one SM! Those were some days for sure. I have a whack of old zoo video I should drag out one day; it'd be a gas to look at. I'm sure you'd be in a bunch of it...don't know how I would play it though...all on compact 8 or whatever and heaven knows we've moved on from that. You remember the Sasquatch scat I found? That was weird to say the least...big as a French horn and thick as a sewer pipe. I remember how we all looked at it and came up with our theories haha. Hey by the way, I know I have said this, but I owe a lot to you for opening up the Nass to me. Quite a gift...I will never forget that. Good luck for the rest of the season my friend...and tell them to take a hike if the price drops any more... User_Name: Matsiman MessagesEvening All, went picking this morning and found about 2 1/2 pounds mostly buttons. Lots of cocorra (amanita) and some yellow corol. Walked 3 hours and covered about 25 acre. Not too many babies. Might get a couple good days in about a week. Didn't see any buyers Friday in CJ. Matsiman User_Name: Shantyman Messages...they'll pass you by in the blink of a young girls eye...Glory Days" blarring in the backbeat Cranberrydawg. I remember 12 buyers 7 restaurants and about 500 people based around the Zoo. ...and some lifelong friendships made. Had two good weekends then got dumped to $6 lb yesterday. Passed by in our prime.or NOT....Glory Days. Can't take nothin away. We got more than boring stories...Not sure if everything downriver needs to be mulled over too much. More important to recognize when the pop is on. Enjoying where I'm at Blessed and fully aware of it. Living the dream User_Name: mushroomdave Messageshi all could someone tell me what prices are doing in Terrace and Nass area. thanks User_Name: cranberrydawg MessagesThanks Matsiman for those links. User_Name: cranberrydawg MessagesThanks a bunch Northern. It's funny you say that not all areas came in very well that year. What I did back then was pick the Cranberry if it was pumping and if it wasn't I would slither over to the Nass and see what was happening there. I can't say if they were having the same kind of crop we were because that season I didn't make a single trip down that dastardly Nass Road. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour Count 501. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman Messages
cranberrydawg and Northern, Thanks for the input. From
what Northern posted, sounds like the storms in June began the formation. If
that is the case, then picking would have begun 30 to 35 days after those
storms.
Usually flushes are started by a cooling, but I have
documented 2 seasons where there was no cooling and a huge flush began.
Surprised the hell out of me.
Sounds like that was the case.
As for fast or slow growth, best I can determine growth
is controlled by daily temp variation. Little variation, slow growth. The
greater the variation, faster growth. Extreme variation, slow growth. Look
at this page. It might explain what's happening with growth now.
http://matsiman.com/fruitgrow.htm I might add
that continued declining temps also slow growth. We had a season in 93 where
they didn't grow for a month. The soils were wet but no rain. Worst year for
raking I have seen in this area. They finally started, but we lost some of the
crop because of delayed growth. Look at this page and you see what I mean.
http://matsiman.com/fruitform.htm.
Thanks guys, Matsiman User_Name: Mushroom Bandit MessagesThe Mushroom bandit is leaving Nakusp. I'm thinking I got one last button flush now everything seems to be rotting. Still freshness button patches but only in one small area User_Name: Northern Messagescranberrydawg- looking at past records for mushrooms and garden journal, I believe the year was 1998,- Hot weather that year- Spring was early and June was hot with a heavy rain on June 14 and 15. Another storm on June 24th. In July, 33 degrees C. during the day to 15 degrees C at night - at least where we lived -Yes, that was a good year for some areas - not all ranges came in but the ones that did were fantastic and it was one of the fastest , shortest season we put in. User_Name: cranberrydawg MessagesHaha, isn't that the way huh! I was doing a pretty wild rain jig a while back too, so I am partially to blame also. As for the chanties I'd say we are about 25% of what we'd normally see. There have been some very significant pops though, in one odd little gully in particular - more than I have ever seen...a veritable blanket of them actually, but they are just not consistent across the board like they can be. Been doing a few baskets a day is all, four has been my best. But they are heavy now, I'll give them that. I think they'll continue to trickle in for a while yet though. I have been selling at the River Bend and getting a very fair price though, so all is not lost. Did you notice one of the hump patches has been cut? Very sad indeed. Every time I drive through MacMillan Park and see all those tourists traipsing into the forest to view those so called "Big Trees" I wonder if they have any inkling at all what is going on just in behind the facade... User_Name: Zed MessagesHey cranberry good to see u on the board. Where do u sell your pines near parksville? Closest buyer i know is rod on CR.I went out in the monsoon today for chantrelles - 23 lbs. I have not broken 40 lbs yet this year. Getting late for any kind of season. Typoon Anna supposed to hit us Monday night..... I regret praying for rain. Lol. Zed. User_Name: cranberrydawg MessagesMatsiman, I lived 500 km to the east of the Cranberry/Nass area in Central BC. I had to rely on my "mushroom network" to give me info and let me know when to come up. One friend in particular used to call me and whisper in the phone, "They're here..." and then hang up. I would hop in my truck and start driving immediately. But to answer your question, generally most of us in those days paid some attention to the weather, but I don't think any of us took the kind of notes we should have to reliably predict much of anything. It is a shame really, I wish we had, because I think there were enough sample years in our collective experience to be significant . Anyway, that is a roundabout way of saying I haven't the foggiest recollection of what the weather was like a month before that amazing pop. I'll try to dig it up on the Internet though when I get a minute. One more thing, the pines here on the central Island at the moment ARE in the hot spots (not in great numbers) BUT they refuse to grow! More credence to Matsiman's argument, because they are definitely getting hammered by the rains. We'd have to chalk up their reluctance to grow to there being no significant temperature fluctuation lately wouldn't we? User_Name: Matsiman Messagescranberrydawg, do you remember if there much rain a month before the flush? I no nothing of the weather in your area. I always assumed it was wet during matsi time. Matsiman User_Name: cranberrydawg MessagesLooking at some old receipts here to try and add something to the mushroom/moisture conversation. If someone could help me with the year I would appreciate it as there is only mention of the month and day on my receipts. It was either 96, 97, or 98 (that much I can piece together) and the area was Cranberry Junction or the Zoo...the new Zoo that is, for the old timers who called 12k the Zoo. At any rate I was getting $35/lb starting July 26th and by August 5th the price dropped to $25 but I was pulling in sick loads...and I mean sick. The weather was brutally hot and we hadn't seen any rain in over a MONTH. I know this because it was a topic of discussion on many an occasion around the fire those nights. The Zoo was hopping and the mushrooms were popping! This was the story for a solid month (without so much as a drop of rain) and then suddenly it all came to an end. My last receipt was Sept. 16th, which, ironically, is around the time things usually get rolling up there. Money wise and poundage wise this was probably one of my best and most consistent seasons in the Cranberry. And the driest by a country mile...to support what Matsiman is saying. I suspect that the spring was very wet that year and that the water table was very significant, although I did not take such records and cannot recall if that was the case. Can anyone who was up there at the time help me to fill in the blanks on this one? Thanks. User_Name: euvol Messageshttp://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/05/opinion/sunday/of-medicine-and-mushrooms.html?_r=0 User_Name: rob in barriere MessagesYep, that was me asking in 2003, im in powell river now for the 2014 season User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour Count 553. Matsiman User_Name: Powell River Jack MessagesRain Rain and more RAIN. Anyway, gear put away. We are off to pick Vegas this am (I HOPE). Boletus Joe, I too noticed the same thing as you. I spent a huge part of my day yesterday covering up the little darlings to keep them safe from cradle robbers. I will again try in a week. Maybe Just Maybe they will grow up. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesWonder where mushroom poet is? User_Name: Mushroom Bandit MessagesPrices dropped over a half I Nakusp. I think it's my fault for picking too many huge buttons User_Name: Jim MessagesDoes anyone know how to reach a buyer in Pemberton User_Name: Matsiman MessagesBoletus Joe, You might try reading http://matsiman.com/messages/wild_gourmet_market_report.htm The link is also on left links bar. Shallow stuff going off, wait a couple weeks and maybe the deeper stuff will also pop. Hopefully the rain will stop for ya. Matsiman User_Name: Boletus Joe MessagesBTW..... I was thinking it would be nice to find someone that has done as much investigation into price manipulation/control as Matsiman has done into crop prediction..... Then maybe some of us would have better days. But I would still go out al the same..... just saying. User_Name: Boletus Joe MessagesHello Andy, King moral, Carla, Lobo and others.... What an interesting year this year. It/we have had a really good hit of matsi for the past 10 days or so. But with one BIG difference. There are lots of babies and they seem to be all on the surface, but there is no size to them (thus no weight) Overall I would say the average size for this crop is maybe 50-60% smaller than other years. Now the poor little buggers are getting drown with torrential rains. So we have undersize wet Matsi. Now throw in the massive amounts of pickers (saw 9 vehicles at on location alone) and our friendly ripping crew. and the price plummeting from $14 to $6 in about 4 days..... Happy hunting guys..... It's a channie day for me.....lol User_Name: euvol MessagesNoob, look at the "E-Flora BC: Electronic Atlas of the Flora of British Columbia" - very detailed info of BC mushrooms. User_Name: cash MessagesWatz the price of pine in hope anyone no? Or Boston bar? User_Name: prymetyme MessagesAnyone know the price for pines in pemberton or boston bar? Or anyone in Vancouver area looking to buy #1 pines? User_Name: Matsiman MessagesKingmorel, I'm monitoring closer because of last months posts and have more time. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman Messages
conicalifornia and common sense, Interesting, your
theories about MATSI production. Do you have any hard data to support what
you say, or is it from observation?
conicalifornia, I do have production data from 92 through
2007 from Cave Junction and it's by the sale date and grade. Email me and
I'll send. You could be right on the sap temps, but don't think the moon is
involved. Hardwood areas always get some rain because of the time of year. I
have also looked at this data and can find no correlation with rain. You
should be looking at the Cascades in 95 and 97 both years had very dry
starts. I have the weather and biomass data collected in those years and
rain was almost non existent. As I recall they had .01 inches in the 2
months preceding the flush and nothing while we picked about 3 weeks. Those
who picked there in those years remember how dry it was.
I assure both of you I have investigated temperatures as
a primary influence. Take the time to read these pages and you'll find hard
data supporting documented effects of temperatures and a science paper on
effects of moisture. My documentation of the effects temperatures was
mentioned in Dave Pilz biodiversity study
common sense, At one time It was common sense the world
was flat. I'm a big fan of common sense, but doesn't work all the time.
That's why studies use hard data to come to conclusions.
Thanks to both for adding your ideas.
Matsiman
User_Name: Foragette MessagesNoob, all that the rain promises and more by David Arora is a great book for beginners, but for just radom curiosity northern bushcraft does give a list with pictures of many common edible varieties that are easier to identify. Nothing really beats hands on learning though, so join your local mycological club for a season! Nothing is better than gleaning the knowledge from seasoned pickers! User_Name: Kingmorel Messagesjamie did the zoo ever produce this yr? User_Name: Fishgod MessagesForgive me! Looked all over the page for your email and found it right in the left top corner. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesMatsiman, just need your email. Noob, at most book stores there are smaller books with mushrooms of the Pacific Northwest and also in library. So many mushrooms are edible however, not all are tasty. Best to stay with the commonly known choice edibles and do the necessary research when trying a new type. Even commonly eaten species can be harmful to some folks. Be very careful, a small meal of mushrooms is not worth damaging yourself for. Research, spore print etc. If you get photos of shrooms and post them on this board the good people here may be able to give their input to narrow things down for you. Good luck and be safe User_Name: Kingmorel Messageshey Carla :). Hey Steve furniture store is done... The $12k per month rent was just too much of a profit eater.... Lasted5 yrs tho. Nice to see the attitude on the board.... What happened matsiman? User_Name: Kingmorel Messagesany info on the bridge in boston bar and if any mushrooms showing there? User_Name: p.pr pickers Messagesit was a buyer that told people here that.i enjoy picking maybe not some of the nonsense talk that floats about but i will still pick and keep the pines like eating them too learned that from our grandfather who ate them reguarly.happy pickin earl j ... User_Name: The noob MessagesHi guys I was wondering if anyone knows the list of edible mushrooms in BC. Ive been going out for pines but walked past dozens of different species. If anyone knows a good information website Id be thankful. User_Name: conicalifornia Messagesin regards to this rain vs temp premordia development discussion i think basidiomyctes such as boletus, armellaria, canthrellus, and tricholoma level of fruiting production is a function of tree growth and sap movement inside trees throughout the warmer dryer season. I am real curious about any crop records around northern california in fall of 1984, 1997, 1999, 2009 before the larger storms hit. I think if you took tree ring data and looked at diameter of rings you could match up with bumper crops. Dont forget about our full moon also and heightened photosynthesis rates of all trees and plants during those times. I've found matsi and chanterelles fruit more with new moons when saps slow down and boletes like full when saps are moving bit more. User_Name: common sense Messagesmushrooms need rain in most places. the soil that they grow in varies due to water holding capacity. most areas need several inches of rain at the right time or they will not grow. that is the real deal User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour Count 663. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman MessagesLobo, thanks for the pic compliment. I'm surprised at the quality of pix taken by my "antique" camera. It's about 16 years old and was a medium quality when bought. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFishgod, Yep that's the address where I've been sending forecast updates. They haven't come back. Don't know why your not getting them. Maybe spam filters because of attachment? I'll try to send text , no attachment. Best to send me an email to me. I think I have the model working fairly well. The last report from Earl j helped "tune" the model, I think. By the way, thanks Earl j for your post. I'm sure other visitors appreciate you taking the time to post good info. One can never be sure about anything connected with forecasting what matsi will do. Fishgod, I have another update for your area. Email me and I'll send with attachment. Matsiman User_Name: Northern MessagesRob Really? I just dont think the answer is quite that simply - I dont think there is any one answer but a combination of a lot of factors that went on this season, that includes the pickers and the buyers. Then it all comes down to what kind of crop it was that got bought- how long it sat (wherever) before it got shipped out. And who knows that answer for sure- Further, I dont believe Joe Chung is making any major decisions for the company at all any more. ( he must be in his 80's now?) no, I'm not a JC fan but just dont agree with you on this one. Further, the more companies there are, the more competitve prices become ( or they should ) Nope_- I dont believe he alone crashed the market- I believe they are paying the price for what they got- (maybe trying to re-cap some losses.) User_Name: dRod MessagesDoes anyone have any information on how I could get on to a crew to pick morells in the yukon this spring? Do people pick through companies or privately? User_Name: rob MessagesJoe Chung.....Using navitour to deliver mushrooms to japanese famies, You have circumvented the tRaditional Japanese system and as a result of this you have collapsed the market. I wish people would realise you are detrimental to the mushroom industry and stop selling to your buyers User_Name: Fishgod MessagesMatsiman, I didn't receive any emails from you. Perhaps the email wasn't correct. It's jamieanderson77@hotmail.com. With my comment about a lot of rain I really just meant soggy shrooms. Have read much info on the site and through our talks as well and feel I understand better now about how moisture and temperature both play a huge role in production and that rain or lack thereof, is not the be all and end all with fruiting of matsutake. I do appreciate your sharing of research and valuable knowledge which no doubt has taken many years to accumulate. This board and site is very helpful for me and I'm sure many others! User_Name: Earl j MessagesPrices in hope are 10/10 /6/2/1. It's a good flush not huge though. White chans are done a few boletes Pines won't last to long if it keeps raining For who ever it was who who commented that it was the price of mushrooms in Powell river that shut down the buyers b. If you believe that I have a couple of words of advice. Don't pick you sound like your disgruntled. The other is you don't know what your talking about so maybe you shouldn't comment on what you don't know about. Forgetta I was just in nakusp buying most of the mushrooms there are done. If your familiar with the area you will still find some nice pines Most are flags but still ages buttons. Oh yeh boston bar prices are the same as posted. You can't get into nahatalach valley bridge is closed For repairs Enjoy your picking User_Name: Lobo Messagesreally nice shaggy photograph User_Name: Matsiman MessagesMatsiman User_Name: cash MessagesWatz the price of pine in hope anyone no? Or Boston bar? User_Name: french onion Messagesdoes anyone know prices for pines in the boston bar area or pemberton area? merci User_Name: Foragette MessagesPlanning to head out on Saturday into the kootenays can't decide if south through Creston or north through nakusp is better? Both will be kinda equal distance from me and I'm not from the area or terribly familier with the season there.. I'm hoping to see mushrooms of any variety. Edibles for personal use only ("winter is coming.."). Since I also am aware of the massive drenching these areas have had and my time there will be limited, I'd also to buy some if anyone in that neck of the woods has some for sale? User_Name: p..r.picker Messagesall buyers closed today because of price in powell river/maybe they should all take there signs down User_Name: Jay MessagesHey Phantom this is jay I missed ur call, i gave up and heading back to Alberta :( I lov to buy some Pines from u if u hav enough please give me price and let me know where u sending it from / u can always phone me or e mail me joh851128@gmail.com User_Name: Jay MessagesHey phantom I c lots of pines from ur pic, where r u? User_Name: Matsiman MessagesDid another short scout this morning on southeast facing slope. Found 4 small #1 out of about 3 dozen patches. Matsiman User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesJay,I'm in a coffee shop soon to head out to a friends house should be an hour or less call you then if that still ok. User_Name: Kootenaybrother MessagesMajor rain event here in the koots! Them shrooms still popping gona hit some south faces to see whats out there!Oh by the way, nice pictures phantom picker! Have fun out there everybody! Good times in the bush! User_Name: Jay MessagesHey phantom this is my number 7802800456 Give me a call thx User_Name: Jay MessagesHey phantom, if u don't mind give me name of location and do u have enough pines? Do u want to sell some of them to me? I am about to leave Clearwater now so let me know ASAP thanks User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesHey jay,the pine pictures are from a week or so ago and there a few hours away from you but there are fewer every day here everything seems to be flagging out. I was out yesterday but only found 7lbs of one and 20lbs of flags. User_Name: Jay MessagesHey phantom I c lots of pines from ur pic, where r u? User_Name: Phantom picker Messageshttp://s1372.photobucket.com/user/Phantompicker1/profile/ Ok got it now, the pictures are on the bottom they grow on my apple tree and would like to know what they are. User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesOops I forgot to load pictures.ill try again. User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesDoes anyone know what this mushroom might be they grow on my apple tree .http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/Phantompicker1/profile/ User_Name: Jay MessagesAnyone has pine in Clearwater area? I couldn't find any and I'm willing to buy some plz call me or e-mail me ASAP. 780 280 0456 or joh851128@gmail.com User_Name: Dku MessagesAnyone have some mushrooms for sale near Kamloops or Clearwater today? David 7805172727 User_Name: glen MessagesPorky that's bs anyone who knows me knows that's not true.I don't pick and buy at same time and never send people to others patches User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour Count 640. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman Messages
Fishgod, The Rain?
We kinda had this discussion last month. It's what
started the hecklers to target me. Rain has benefits and can be detrimental
to mushrooms. I'll try to explain once more.
We all know moisture is necessary for mushrooms as
mushrooms are 90% water. There is no doubt moisture is needed. The source of
that moisture and how much is needed is the question. Our debate identified
mushroom moisture sources, but not how much moisture.
How much moisture is difficult to measure, and is
probably irrelevant. Document seasons indicate historical crops can be
produced with little or no rain. So if a good season can happen without
rain, where does the moisture come from?
Fiddlehead Heaven, Hank and others helped with
identifying moisture sources. Rain, fog, hi humidity, dew, springs and deep
tree roots were among sources. We sorta established rain isn't necessary
because of other sources. No matter what the source, the host tree
ultimately supplies moisture. As far as I know trees can take in moisture
through leaf / needle and roots only. In most seasons, in most areas, rain
is considered the primary source of moisture. However, the South Central
Oregon Cascades can get little or no rain before and during mushrooms
formation and growth. Visible moisture sources are non existent, The
moisture must come from deep roots.
Since rain is not necessary, what are the effects of
rain?
Rain can make soil temps cool and warm faster and evenly
due to the fact wet material does just that. Rain also makes the fruit
(mushrooms) much larger, but personally I would rather have lots of
mushrooms instead of a few big ones.
For some reason it is the popular belief rain is
absolutely necessary for matsi. It's probably because weather systems with
rain cool soils to a point where formation is possible. Usually a warming
follows these systems. the warming forms mushrooms, not the water. This is
not the case in some areas in some years. Dry cold fronts cool soils the
same as wet systems, it just takes deeper or prolonged cooling to have the
same effects as wet fronts.
Rain also has it's down side. Too much rain can water log forming or growing mushrooms making them unusable for personal or commercial use. The unseen effects of rain have a more detrimental effect. After soils are cooled by wet or dry systems a warming is needed to form fruit. Persistent rain or cloudiness usually keeps warming to a minimum. With no warming, mushrooms are not formed. If they are not formed, they can't grow.
If you want to know how the season is progressing, look at temps, not rain.
Hey Fishgod, you been getting my email updating the model's forecast? I have
received no replies. Maybe you've been out picking!!
Matsiman
User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesWow!! Man,is this rain ever going to stop. I think I'm going to stay home today,there's alot of flags out there because of the rain and the buttons are going to mush or purple mold it doesn't look good. I think it's comming to an end here. I'd like to see an other pop come on but man it's still to warm and I realy think that it's not going to happen. I could be wrong but like I said it doesn't look good out there and looking back at past seasons they've all been a short pick sorry to say.good luck and be safe. User_Name: JDS MessagesWestern Washington pickers...If you haven't checked your lowland patches it might be a good idea to get out there!!! User_Name: porky MessagesRover, his name is Glenn not Mark. User_Name: porky MessagesRover, i've dealt with mike for years and he's been good to me. He'll buy long after everyone else is closed. Julie's husband Mark tried to follow me to my big patch after bringing in a big load the day before. They'll never know how many i have again. User_Name: mushroom guy MessagesThanks Porky! :) User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesHey King nice to see you back. How's that handmade furniture business going. For some reason I thought fish god owned it but then I remembered it was you. Scott anywhere out there if so send me an email it's been awhile! User_Name: Nasspicker MessagesHello all from Nass/Terrace area. Weird season this year! Don't know if the Nass is done or if we got another week or 2? Didn't start popping good til Sep 20th. been raining for 3 weeks and finally gonna stop for a few days. hoping to make a few more g's get up passed that 10,000 mark. User_Name: rover MessagesThere is a buyer in mill bay south coast. Not sure if she's open yet .Julie is much better to deal with than mike User_Name: Fishgod MessagesIf the rain don't stop I fear the season is in trouble. Matsiman......your thoughts? User_Name: Fishgod MessagesThanks again all, phantom, appreciate your mentioning of possible allergy. It's like some shrooms can't be consumed with alcohol. When trying new species to eat (after 100% positive id) I always begin with eating only small amounts and of coarse cook them very well. Don't know if a spore print will happen as the rain is hurricane style and I feel that batch may have spored. Will wait till I find another batch. User_Name: porky MessagesMushroom guy, call Mike at (250) 710-4427. He buyes all wild mushrooms. He's in Cowichan. User_Name: Mushroom guy MessagesHey just wondering if anybody knows of a pine buyer near victoria on vancouver island.? Thanks User_Name: Foragette MessagesOur area had almost no honey's this year but a nice harvest of hydnum (hedgehog). It's what makes wild harvesting so fun it's like an enormouse surprise bag, you never know what you'll pull out! I'm getting antsy to get out there two more days, got the rain gear packed! User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesYou should also keep in mind that a lot of people have allergic reactions to honey mushrooms so carefull on how many you eat at once. It's funny how seasons vary on what's out there. Last season it was hedge hogs and this year none but, I've seen and picked jelly ears,apricot jelly mushrooms and combstooth where as the past seasons you couldn't even find any of those. Gona go get wet again tomorrow and relocate an old patch hopefully it'll be worth getting soaked for lol. Came out of the bush today 10lbs heavier from my clothe lol. Good luck and be safe. User_Name: Foragette MessagesI come from a foothill area where the pickings are fewer. Red lobster and chanterelles don't grow here at all.. However when honeys pop people here go crazy! They are highly prized even though they are a incredibly destructive killing trees rather than moderating their growth User_Name: Fishgod MessagesThanks again folks, had a feeling they were edibles. Will hopefully get a spore print overnight if I can find a good one for setup. Will use dark paper with the assumption of a light or white print and will try to post a pic if succesful. Have never eaten honey mushrooms but they look yummy if they are indeed the right ones. User_Name: Foragette MessagesLooks to me like you have armillaria (honeys) I'd just confirm white spore print User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesFishgod,they look like honey mushrooms to me, I've seen so many of them this season it's unreal. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesAnd here's one when they were a couple of days younger http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af243/fishgod77/shrooms/D367ABE6-B88B-44C1-98EC-78B6324B0C7D_zpskjni82og.jpg User_Name: Fishgod MessagesThanks guys! Here's a pic of the gills http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af243/fishgod77/shrooms/E8919504-0473-4190-9DF0-57FABDB154C2_zpshnf6gbsy.jpg User_Name: Boletus Joe MessagesFishgod.... I concur, 85% sure they are "honey's" User_Name: Foragette MessagesFishgod, they look like armillaria maybe or pholiota it's hard to tell if they are smooth or are scabby on top and a pic of the gills would help ;) User_Name: Matsiman Messages
wayne, Thanks for the encouragement. I'll be watching the
board allot closer since I left the campground host position.
I did get a chance to check a few patches. Found 3 small
buttons just barely pickable. Left them to grow or seed.
I wouldn't get excited. there wasn't much else. A few
scabbers and zellers. This small flush
should be easier to find in 3 or 4 days. Don't take a bucket, a coffee cup
will do.
I guess I was at about 1900 ft. north to northeast by an
old mostly overgrown skid road. No sign of animal digs or traffic. I was
lucky to find them.
Matsiman
User_Name: wayne Messageshi seaspearo i live in crescent city we might be able to work something out but its still early email me next month at ez4sure@juno.com on another note matsiman im liking the feel of this forum lately with you on here all the time gl to everyone happy trails ss User_Name: Fishgod MessagesHi all, sounds like the rain is spoiling everyone's fun!duckin...... Like the pics of last years haul! I found these shrooms last night and was wondering if anyone knows what they are at a glance. Will research them when I have time. http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af243/fishgod77/shrooms/9631F380-AF52-4E75-902A-8CA882643CE7_zpskhnlts9p.jpg User_Name: seaspearo MessagesHi All: I live in San Francisco bay area. Had been picking mushrooms in Northern California for past 10 years, we had very few Matsutake here. So plan to go to Oregon this year, I know this year is very slow and with past few weeks rain, maybe it will get better? Can anyone help us by giving us some basic information, like if the Matsutake showed up yet, what elevation, what general area we should go? We don't need your secrete spot, we are not commercial, just want to pick few pounds and have a good trip. If anyone interested in do a paid guided trip for us, that will be great too! User_Name: Mushroom Bandit MessagesRaining in Nukusp. But I'm a mountain ninja, I'll be out there after a big breakfast and maybe watch a little TV. Perhaps a hot shower. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour Count 566. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman MessagesMorning All, Yep we got rain coming here also. Things are wet now, but suppose to get 1 1/2 to 2 inches in the next day or so with a chance of rain for the next week. Not getting all that cold though. Temps are suppose to average low to mid 50's. We have formed a very, very small crop, but don't think it is showing yet. I got some early patches within walking distance of the motor home I may get a chance to check today. Checked them last Thursday and nothing. Matsiman User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesIt's getting wetter and the pricess are getting smaller. Down to $14lb last night and most likely to be lower today time to pick and dry.good luck and be safe,or stay home and dry lol. User_Name: garf Messagesok the rain can stop for a bit any time now ...Just saying ...rivers are getting high and going to start losing some roads. went out today and there is very little happening . Oh well back to the woodpile but it is very hard to keep the wood dry long enough for delivery ... geez and its coming down hard outside ... love it though ...all part of living in this paradise.. just a peek or two of blue or some sun on my face for a few hours thats all i ask... cheers full buckets and i will be in the woodpile... User_Name: just duckin in MessagesHi all, where are the mushrooms this year ? It's been a nothing year for me so far so I'm feeling whacked out and had to resort to digging out some pictures from a couple of picks from last year just to remember what they look like! I can remember getting mushroom fever back in 1961 and still get it every year. http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/superstang2068/library/ User_Name: Mossy top MessagesNemophilist: Around $3. User_Name: Mushroom Bandit MessagesI'll exept that. And nakusp has few lobsters but it's supposed to rain for a couple more days so they'll be all waterlogged I'm sure. I only kept two today. User_Name: some picker Messagesnemophilist, 4 to 5 on the coast, thanks for the new word. User_Name: NEMOPHILIST MessagesCan anyone tell me how much chanterelles are being bought for near Eugene? User_Name: Foragette MessagesI love nothing more than being deep in the back country, cooking fresh mushrooms with dirt under my nails and a hat to hide my crazy messy hair! My boyfriend gets a scratch and we have to head back for polysporin and bandaids, so it's not just a girl thing.. Some people just aren't cut out for nature! Which is probably a good thing, someone has to fix my computer! User_Name: Mushroom Bandit MessagesFound a good #2 in a tree today some small buttons underneath. Guess somebody forgot their GPS. I also have some sound picking advice for the newbies. Don't bring your girlfriend picking!!!!!!!! Especially if she is already prone to crankiness!! Crankiness is easy to tolerate when your at home and she's all fixed up and looking hot. After a few days in the bush tends to lower ones toleration levels while raising her crankiness factor. Just sayin User_Name: Wild foragette MessagesThanks kootenaybrother! I'm mostly just trying to fulfill a personal itch that encroaching winter brings on.. I was in the Nelson area a week ago and had a blast learning a whole new set of mushrooms from what I'm used to! I was secretly hoping there may be a few stragglers in and around there. I'm a complete newbie when it comes to red lobster (we pick a lot of the hypomyces viridis) just wonder how long they last and if taking the south loop then going up through naksup would still be interesting? I'm interested in all mushrooms not just the common edibles the variety that grows out there is fascinating! User_Name: Kootenaybrother MessagesI'd focus on the hotsprings , al though any old patch you find ,pop it in the gps and add it to your patch inventory!This time of year is good for that , and don't forget your rain gear she's supposed to rain cats and dogs! That being said, hope bc , Boston bar should be hot right about now!I bet thoses number#1 matsutake should be poppin right about now! (In thoses further southern areas ) User_Name: Wild foragerette MessagesHey all, Sadly our season for anything here is over (early snowfall seemed to have finish everything off). So I've been reading all your posts like an addict, with green eye'd shroom envy..! It's gotten so bad I've agreed to a family holiday in the south kootenays just to have an excuse to get near to where there's still a season of any kind happening. On the off chance I get to slip away, I'm curious how far south I'd need to go before I see something still in season? Could red lobsters still be out near naksup? Or would I be wasting my hot spring soaking time ;) User_Name: Kootenaybrother MessagesNext experiment of the this week, The hedgehog mushroom patch. Pick the hedgehog peel Back the moss layer,scrape the teeth of the hedge hog mushroom evenly over a one square foot area.Replace the moss back to cover the teeth. Mark your spot with an x or flag tape to return next year.Rain in the forecast calling for 40 to 50 mm over the next few days , excellent transplanting weather?Will be interesting to track this experiment over the next few seasons! User_Name: Powell River Jack MessagesI went out picking Matsi the other day. I took along a small dog I had found abandon and near death way back in Interior mountains a few years ago. WE called her Lucky for obvious reasons. I started to pour as we reached the truck. I put her in and put keys in ignition as to not to drop them and closed door to keep truck dry while I dealt with our find. Lucky stood on door handle to see what I was up to and "CLICK". The little bitch finally stepped on the unlock button after I was totally soaked. Mans best friend? Hmmm. I guess a dog can teach an old man new tricks. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour Count 566. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman Messages
cranberrydawg, Great info, thanks for sharing.
Your method of hiding unwanted mushrooms in a patch is
the same I use and for the same reason. Goes back to a time when a picker
had to do everything possible to hide where they pick. It's good to hear it
payed off for you. I haven't noticed that effect here or in the Cascades.
Then again I haven't been as vigilant as you were. Didn't use the same
hiding spot year after year.
Really starting to look like "seeding" will work, but
difficult to confirm from a science point of view. When we first started
talking about inoculating, we talked to our lead scientist. He said the
first step was to determine if matsi was present before inoculation. If it
was, then another spot needed to be selected. Can't start something that is
already there.
Regardless of what science thinks about Hank and your
results it's still great info. Matsi present or not before inoculation, both
of you have determined seeding can help.
Thanks for sharing. Maybe some of our visitors will try
the technique and report their findings. It's always fun to try something
different.
Matsiman
User_Name: cranberrydawg MessagesIt was a hoot to run into Meg, Shantyman. Crazy that she recognized me. Wanted to get into some of the wedding stories with her, but it was a zoo in there...she was pretty busy. I'll phone you in the next couple of days for sure and we can compare notes. As it turns out there was no way I could get up there to pick the patch anyway, as I have my daughter full time at the moment. Insofar as the discussion about seeding the patches with hats and wormies, there is no question it is possible. Been doing it for 25 yrs. My favorite example: I was always paranoid folks would stumble on my zones so I would meticulously hide the wormies - in one area, I would stuff those unsavory buttons under this one giant hemlock tree that had fallen lengthwise down the slope. Well, lo and behold if I didn't pick about 50 perfect buttons (all in a nice line) under that tree a few years later. And damn if that old hemlock tree didn't produce consistently season after season after that. It was magic. I'm pretty sure that this seeding, if we want to call it that, has to occur within the actual patch though. I have tried to transport spore into other areas with no success at all. I think the spore, and the mycellium in general, are far too specific to each particular forest zone for there to be any chance of that. As for why the patches die, it has been my experience (hemlock/pine mix forests) that once the trees reach a certain age they no longer produce. It is that simple. Fir forests, on the other hand, are a totally different story. Here on the Island the pines play by a much more peculiar and unpredictable set of rules. They grow in the ancient old growth and they grow in the pecker poles. Just when I think I've got them figured out I see one growing out of a crack in the pavement in a parking lot in downtown Qualicum Beach. Go figure. User_Name: rob Messageshey bandit, give me a text at 250-775-1158. cheers User_Name: Mushroom bandit Messages$110 for a few hrs pickin ain't so bad. Plus all the mushrooms I can eat. And I'm just getting started. No wonder they call me The Mushroom Bandit. User_Name: PACIFIC WILD HARVESTERS MessagesI am buying chanterelles in the Eugene area. I will travel for large amounts. Pacificwildharvesters@gmail.com -Paul User_Name: shrooms MessagesFast freddys in hope been there for a week sorry for the late update User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour Count 581. Matsiman User_Name: garf MessagesSnail bait in a pine patch ... geezz some real bright lights out there . Taking any kind of poison onto public lands would be illegal you would think and should be reported . I don't know about other areas but anyone coming this way looking for mushrooms will be very disappointed and by what i read it is that way in most places . As for prices going down for the weekend those games never change . Have been to lots of spots that were producing good last year and there is nadda . Picked a few chantrelles to eat the other day . full buckets and goodluck and until then i will be in the Woodpile .... User_Name: austin MessagesPine prices are going to crash in the next few days. Expect to get $6 by next weekend. Blame the high temps, worms, heavy rain, fleas, typhoons, foreign importers, the moon, etc,etc. Just don't blame me. User_Name: Shantyman MessagesCrandawg It was good to hear from you through Meg. Call sometime and I'll tell you about this crazy season from this end. It would be good to catchup with you ....excuse or not Shantyman User_Name: koootenay brother MessagesIm gonna try a few micro experiments in my back yard,im gonna dig up some pines and transplant under similar old hemlocks,along with mycelium root system and cover up moss and water heavily,1 km away from exsisting patch.with hegdehogs and matsutake,only time will tell results,should be interesting.seem to have that old gray burn layer in both locations User_Name: Lobo MessagesKootenaybrother; I know of someone in Idaho who was attempting to expand the matsutake by transplanting candy stick plants. …. Hank; The crushed shell mixed with storage wheat also ruptures weevil and apparently does not harm humans. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesHank, Evidently you aren't familiar with our studies. We found the same as you observed in regard to picking method. Here is the paper we published on the subject. http://matsiman.com/formalpubs/Effects%20of%20mushroom%20harvest.pdf Snail bait? We had some locals put hoppered mushrooms in a shoe box and spray with insecticide then sell back in the mid nineties. There are some crazies out there. Matsiman User_Name: Hank MessagesHmm.. As far as over picking or actually digging the ground up to find the babies and keeping the ground open kills the area for matsutake growth.I have seen places that looked like a bear got at the ground and raked the whole ground back and left it open but I knew the pickers that did that and told them never to do it again.The matsutake never grew there again. I got around 50 pounds within about 5 acre lot one year and every year after that I was lucky to get 5 pounds if that. It was a new spot and i picked everything that was good and filled the holes back in but that obviously did not help. I have not tried reseeding the area with 4's and 5's though yet. I tell most of my pickers to leave the turned up #5's in the woods to throw spore. One picker said he used snail bait out in the woods to keep snails away from the mushrooms and his patches have been getting less every year and he is a person I have heard digs like a wild bear and leaves the ground open sometimes. Anything under 3 inches goes directly into #4 so I try to tell pickers to keep those in the ground instead of ripping up the ground too much to find them. The snail bait is poisonous to animals and people should never be using that,maybe better to use crushed up clam shells or any other type of shells in rings around their patches to kill snails/the crushed shells slice the snails open and the calcium in them might help patches also. I have not tested soil content in matsutake area's but I think there might be something different in it than area's with no mycelium. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesKootenaybrother, I haven't heard of any documented reports of any transplants or starting matsi with spore. Read this page http://matsiman.com/inoculate.htm I know of no new developments. My study partner and I thought about transplanting live mycelia in the winter when it was dormant, but never got around to doing it. Mostly cause there is 7 feet of snow in the study area when we think the time is right. Read down to what Hank says. Seems to work for him. Matsiman User_Name: Mushroom Bandit. MessagesPembertons just starting I heard. $18lbs. I'm happy here fresh lobsters and shantrells with dinner. A good start for me in my old pine spots. User_Name: Kootenaybrother MessagesDid anyone ever try transplanting or spreading matsutake spores to expand exsisting patches?Does anybody have any thoughts on this type of experiment? User_Name: Mike MessagesAnyone know of any buyers in Vancouver BC User_Name: Rob 802 Messagestheres buys on vancover island port alberni cambell river and lake cowichan oh 1 in wisky creek too might be more thats the 1s i know about User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCarla, Great, look forward to seeing those smiling faces. My camera is an old Sony that took floppy disk. I can't use a cell phone camera either. My cell is 7 years old and I still can't and don't want to figure it out. Matsiman User_Name: Carla MessagesDang it I mean to say KingMorel...lol User_Name: Carla MessagesI will bring a camera to work, I am too old to work the one on my phone lol User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCarla Those smiles are what the Visitors Matsi Photo Gallery is about. Can you send some pix and I'll put them up? Matsiman User_Name: Carla MessagesWelcome back Morel King. User_Name: Carla MessagesThere are a lot of new pickers this year! I love when they come into the buy station all excited because they found a new species we buy :-) Those big smiles just make my day! Hope you all have a great day out there :-) User_Name: Mushroom bandit MessagesI'm in nakusp across the ferry. The buyers gone. Af few camps set up. Anyone know what happened to the buyer. It should be rob. User_Name: MushroomManMike MessagesHello fellow pickers!! Anyone having much luck in the boston bar area? i know the bridge is going to be out tomorrow! for 10 days! any input on this? User_Name: RM0213 MessagesPines going 22 per pound for #1's and 18 per pound for #2's in Hope. Anyone know buyer's on the south-central Vancouver Island for chantrelles or pines? User_Name: Matsiman Messages
Hank, thanks for the response, but doesn't help me
understand why the 97 Cascade crop grew.
Interesting what you say about spore. Our sustainability
studies say otherwise for short term. Short term being over 10 years. We
plan on writing a science paper on just that subject.
So far what we have found is that picking or not picking
doesn't make any difference. We have informally compared 30 patches we
picked and 30 we don't for over 10 years. We can find no difference in
production. There is a slight variance year to year. Some years more in
picked and some years more in not picked. Over all they stay pretty much the
same.
We are noticing some patches are dyeing out. Our lead
scientist wants to do genetic tests to maybe get a clue as to why. Not sure
if just the picked ones are dyeing or both picked and not. I'm fairly sure
it's across the board. It's something I'll need to look into.
It's always sad to hear areas of patches are being
logged. Wish there was a solution. Be thankful it's strip logging and not
entire sections.
Matsiman
User_Name: p/r/picker Messageswell out for a hunt lookin for pines too small see alot of people out there.try to leave the little ones if you can this year the ground in some spots already dug up User_Name: Mushroom bandit MessagesI'm in nakusp across the ferry. The buyers gone. Af few camps set up. Anyone know what happened to the buyer. It should be rob. User_Name: rover MessagesVimush what area are you in north or south what variety do you have User_Name: Hank MessagesI have seen new patches produce more matsutake years ago than they ever have the years afterwards.I think most of that might have been from overpicking an area and not leaving behind any older mushrooms that produce spore. I have sliced up tops of fully open matsutake into halves and quarter and put them on sticks gills down and close to ground as possible to simulate how a natural growing mushroom would throw it's spore without being carried too far away. I did expand patches into surrounding area's that never grew any matsutake there before by doing this. You can not just put them anywhere and expect matsutake to develop,the mycelium has to already be there but I figured you need the spore to activate the growth.My seeding the area's took 3 years to start growing in places they never grew before,but maybe 50 to 100 feet from original natural growth area. The largest amount of Matsutake that we got had grown in hot humid weather when hurricane's brought up the extra moisture and moderate temps from the gulf of mexico. I have not seen many hurricane's come directly over the northeast this year also,we just got the edges of the bands of rain from them and some warmer temps.I have had other people put the fully opened and still white gill matsutake on sticks as well in area's surrounding where they pick and they had some expansion of growing area's also within about 3 to 4 years.I had not noticed much condensation on the ground in sept. in mornings also.In oct. we started to get more condensation and some rain . A lot of area's that grew the most matsutake in my area have been getting strip cut.I could have payed land owners more to leave the trees that the matsutake grow around instead of just getting payed a percentage for stumpage.It gets pretty depressing looking at land you knew had a really good natural resource you could collect every year and end up being destroyed for what a land owner through was good money for only 1 time.Most land that the Matsutake grow on here is owned by individuals and not protected area's. User_Name: VImush MessagesHi, looking for a buyer on Vancouver island. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour Count 535. Matsiman User_Name: kingmorel Messagesheh he h Matsiman... ya im still kickn... just back from the UK... User_Name: Matsiman Messages
Hank, Welcome to the board and thanks for the input.
All I can say is that the fruiting you are describing
there this year may be because of the effects of moisture conductivity of
temperatures. We all know things get hotter or colder much faster when wet
than dry. Since temperature changes play a major roll, could it be that dry
soils didn't change as much as wet. Therefore did not form.
As I said before, the South Central Oregon Cascades had a
historical season in 1997. There was no rain, no fog, low humidity, low soil
moisture and high temps. At least 100 square miles produced more matsutake
than anybody had seen or have seen since.
I'm not making these conditions up or relying on memory.
I have the weather from a government weather station that was nearby and the
actual pounds picked by grade. I think my wife and I picked 3/4 ton or
around 1,500 pounds. I know this season happened as I described.
What I can't understand is if temps weren't the cause of
this crop, what was?
Matsiman
User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesShrooms,what you hear is true,I have a buddy picking up in nahatlatch and the bridge is closed for ten days as of Monday so now is the time to go and camp on the other side of the bridge.Good luck and be safe.fishgod, sorry for the delay man been busy picking and getting home late. I haven't worked out the problem just yet but will try and fix it when I have a little more time. User_Name: Hank MessagesI am not far from Fiddlehead Heaven and the Matsutake season here started second week of Sept as it usually does but not many came out this year compared to other years. We had extreme drought after July and even the rain we have gotten has not helped streams or much else. The matsutake that did come out were beside ponds ,rivers and spring fed area's. All other regular growing areas produced nothing this year.The way I see it,if the Hemlock trees these grow under do not have enough water to feed themselves,there would be none given up by the tree roots to feed the matsutake growth. I have over 20 different areas i pick in within a 75 mile radius. I am in Maine and I buy from other pickers as well to resell for a very small profit to a wholesaler. The only way I can make any money is if I have bulk which this year was next to nothing. Many of the pickers gave up since it costs too much for gas to travel to their patches and not enough to even pay for that.It's the worst year picking matsutake in over 20 years I have been picking.There might be more matsutake coming out but from what I have seen compared to other years,they aren't worth my time this year.I use part of the mushroom money to pay for heating bills each year and I did not even make enough to pay for one month of heating. Good luck Fiddlehead .You might need it this year. The Maitake did not do well this year also,only one to be found in the about 15 trees I know they grow around in different parts of my state. Chanterelles did very well in july but everything dried up after that month because of drought. User_Name: shrooms MessagesNo buyers in boston bar yet nahatlatch soon i heard the bridge is out up nahatlatch is that true anyone know? User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFiddlehead Heaven, yep, know where you are and have always looked forward to your posts. I understand what you are saying about humidity. What I am saying is that we have had historical crops with low humidity, little or no rain and low soil moisture. So you can see why I wouldn't have considered humidity as a needed source of moisture. I'm guessing that the needed moisture to grow a Matsutake mushroom, and form one, comes from deep underground. I can't think of any other source. If you can please let me know. Matsiman User_Name: Fiddlehead Heaven MessagesI am on the east coast Matsiman, in New Brunswick and of course our weather is certainly different from the west coast. The high temps I was talking about are for our summer crops such as Chanterelles, Lobster, Hedgehog, Trumpets, and Boletes. Our season begins as early as mid June and we are pretty much done by mid Sept. However our peak Pine season is the same as where you are, which is really going to get going next week. Lots of babies starting to show these last few days, so it's on for us next week. The point I was trying to make, is that mushrooms do not necessarily need rainfall to fruit as long as the humidity which creates moisture is there, and of course a drop in temps to insite the mycelium to fruit. Some mushrooms only need as little as 4 to 5 degrees, and others like the Pines need a more drastic change....Dwight in new Brunswick User_Name: Dgtogg MessagesDoes anyone know of pine mushroom buyers in or around Whistler, BC? User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFiddlehead Heaven, Sounds like your matsi growing conditions are different from some here in the US. We don't get hi temperatures with high humidity. The Central Oregon Cascades get very little rain in the fall. There are late summer thunder storms which sometimes wet scattered areas, but extremely rare to get a storm that is wide spread rain. The humidity is almost always very low, but we still get good crops. Most of the moisture mushrooms need there is from water deep underground. I heard form a botanist a large black oak will process 500 gallons a day. Matsiman User_Name: prymetyme Messagesanyone know where the buyers are in roberts creek User_Name: siwash picker MessagesAre there buyers in Boston bar? User_Name: Lobo Messagesidahopete; Welcome to the best darn mushroom state, I was raised in Idaho and you are located in the middle of mushrooms from early spring till late fall. Right now the lobsters and yellow chanterelles out to be good about 20 to 40 miles North from Moscow Mountain and East to Montana. In the spring the morels may be found as close as Lewiston Orchards and Waha then most any direction that is forested. White morels may be found up the Clearwater and up the forks under the leafy trees. User_Name: Fiddlehead Heaven MessagesMatsiman, relative air humidity is everything to living symbiotic mushrooms. If the temps are in the high 90s and even into the 100s, as long as the humidity index is up there in the 90s too. The trees get to drink all day long and it keeps the mushrooms nice and moist through the day. Not to mention the heavy dew every night & morning. And of course in the case of Matsies, they need that cool down in the fall along with those foggy mornings to get things going good in my area. It has been good to have some time off to be back on the board these last couple of weeks. But I just got word that the buttons are popping in the neighborhood again, so gotta get geared up to head out again to see if it's any better than the last little puff we had! User_Name: idahopete MessagesI have a question? ive picked pine in randle and in troutlake wa and all over the coast! but ive recently moved to Idaho around the Lewiston area and was wondering if anyone knows if pine grow anywhere between boise and Spokane . I looked and ground looks right all the same things but nothing yet! please let me know if im just wasting my time thanks! User_Name: Lobo MessagesMad Morel; Interesting year you are having. One thing I have observed is in years of seeing lots of white chanterelles in Randle area or hawks wings on the east side Cascades, I also saw numerous matsutake in the same area. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 23 Hour Count 446. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman MessagesMad morel, Thanks for the report. Looks the same here for matsi. It's early yet, but forecast is indicating a season much the same as Canada and the Cascades. Matsiman User_Name: Mad morel MessagesIt's not looking very good for pine's here on the Eastern sloops of the cascades of washington bur the yellow chanterelles have been doing well all summer long ans still doing well, sweet tooth and bellybutton hedgehogs are popping big time we pick 8lbs on thursday with some yellow's and a hand full of whites. White Chanterelles have not done very well at all this year and Boletes have been poor as well lot's of bear head and shaggy mane's?we pick a basket full of them and was up all night cleaning and cooking them to put away for later. I have not seen any pig ears our Hawk wings but the Honey mushrooms showed up big time and after two weeks they were never to be seen again tell next year are two maybe three years. Blue Chanterelles came on to give us there deep blue color just to have a photo taken for those that have never see a blue leg and as most know them as Blue chanterelles (Polyozellus multiplex). It's been a long season and lots of photo's have been taken and a lot of indexing to do this winter of the many fungi found and not found this year and there is still three weeks if not four before the season is over here on the Eastern sloops of washington state Cascades. I'am still holding out for a good flush of pine's but tell then it's back to Yellow chanterelle's and hedgehogs and soon yellow foot chanterelles well be up very soon. User_Name: northern Messagesj in Terrace heard they put him in an induced coma- no news since User_Name: Arrow Shrooms MessagesKootenaybrother: You sound like you know your stuff and your posts are quite interesting and informative. I don't think I have met you. Feel free to stop in for a chat and a bevy at my station in Nakusp next time by if you would like. (Jean's Mushroom Station) just past the bridge toward the Galena Bay Ferry Hwy 23 N User_Name: shrooms MessagesCall robin mushroom buyer in hope 1 780-830-6126 User_Name: J in Terrace MessagesHas anyone heard how Dougie Branton that was run over while picking in the Nass and was medevaced to Vancouver is doing User_Name: Matsiman Messages
Fiddlehead Heaven, Put the link to the page you posted on
the top link bar. Thanks for your contribution.
By the way, Your post on hot humid good season with dry
soils took awhile to sink in. The host tree takes in moisture and nutrients
through leaf and needle. Wouldn't have thought of that one.
Matsiman User_Name: Kootenaybrother MessagesPulled in around a dozen hedgehogs today the biggest I've seen in a while!Found an epic pine patch but they were all flagged out and wormy , left them in the ground so they could do their thing!Gonna hit the creek hopefully pull in some fish,Good times in the bush!! User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFiddlehead Heaven, thanks for the link. Boy there is allot of reading there. I noticed Matsiman. com is listed as a reference. Matsiman User_Name: Mushroom Poet MessagesHello all. The prices in the Nass and Terrace are at 18 per pound and going up. User_Name: Fiddlehead Heaven MessagesSome Info from the Yunnan province in China I think that may be of interest to what is happening to where our share of the Pine mushroom market has gone since the early 80s and some of the regulations that have been imposed in that country. A must read to help us understand where 69% of our market share has gone. This report is from 2005, so that percentage could be a lot higher by now. http://www.worldagroforestry.org/sea/Publications/files/proceeding/PR0030-07/PR0030-07-2.PDF User_Name: shroomgirl MessagesJust got back from Mt Hood. Hiked into an area with 2800' elevation climb. Found about a pound of Matsi's at about 4500', but there were a few other pickers ahead of me. Sparse pickings still, as they only had a few. Rained cats and dogs Tuesday and Wednesday, so did other things. Went out yesterday into the old maid flats. Also sparse pickings. Also following behind other pickers. Got about a pound again. With all the rain tho, I imagine the next few days they will be poppin. No Chanties showing anywhere up there. Found a nice oyster log, and some nice fresh pig's ears. That was it. Had to come home, all good vacations must come to an end. Heading to Mt Adams and Mt St Helens tomorrow. The lowlands will be poppin with Chanties soon! The signs of the season's end are showing. Until then, Full buckets to ya'll!! User_Name: Northern picker MessagesIt's been about a week since I've been out. Anyone know the prices in terrace nass area Thanks User_Name: prymetyme MessagesDoes anyone know where the buying stands are in Gibsons/ Roberts Creek? User_Name: Lobo MessagesKorea1128; response is on the Mad Morel Bull Board User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour Count 382. Matsiman User_Name: Korea1128 MessagesWOW! Thanks Lobo I would love it if you could share that information with me whenever you get the time to do it! You can email me at kevinlee931@gmail.com I'm also glad to hear that you recovered from a stroke. User_Name: matsigurl MessagesThanks Fishgod for the positive thoughts. Never can get enough of those. Best of luck to you as well. Full buckets...Matsigurl User_Name: Kootenay brother MessagesHalfway hotsprings is awesome, make sure you vehicle has good suspension and an extra tire , the road is pretty rough, awesome soaking spot !If the picking isn't that great soaking is always a good option, the fishing is usually really good in October! Good eats! User_Name: cash MessagesWatz the price of pine in hope anyone no? Is fast Freddy buying out there? User_Name: mushroom bandit Messagesi've spent several seasons in boston bar but i fear those hills with my newly acquired gut. lol. I'm gonna head to nakusp for a weak just to get out there. i'll keepmy expectations down and bring extra cash. thanks for the heads up. in BB wild bills always been fair. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesMatsigurl, good to see you back on the board, best of luck when you get out there! User_Name: matsigurl MessagesHi all.... Hey I am looking to go up to the Northwest Cascades (Cougar, WA / Randle, WA) anytime from now until Saturday afternoon. Anybody who may be heading that way, I'd like to ride with. I can pitch in gas money and maybe even show you a few great spots to pick. I'm in the Portland/Vancouver area now. If you message me here, I can give you my location. Good luck this weekend to all pickers. Full Buckets to all......Matsigurl User_Name: Kootenaybrother MessagesMore #1 buttons in Boston barM Nakusp almost done although I didn't see any red russulas ! User_Name: Kootenaybrother MessagesNakusp area is wrapping up although I did find a few buttons, most I saw were flagging out and wormy! Better luck in Boston bar , and hope zone , mobile buyer that was in nakusp has set up further south.boston bar I think?good times in the bush back to the firewood pile! User_Name: Mushroom bandit MessagesKootenay brother. I was gonna head up there this weekend for a week. Are the pines flagging out while they're still small. User_Name: Lobo MessagesKorea1128; I have some memory challenges associated with the stroke, please forgive me for any mistaken identity. I have several matsutake patch areas marked in my BC map book that I will never be able to visit again, if I find the book I might share. For now I can not access the map cases as my things got piled up by those my wife had cleaning my van so she could sell it, while I was in the hospital and rehab for the stroke. User_Name: cash MessagesSo is it the end of the season for pines anyone no? User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCarla, Got out this morning to take a look. Nothing in matsi showing yet. Very few other fungi. Matsiman User_Name: cash MessagesIs there a buyer in Boston bar anyone no?n if there is how much a lb? User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour Count 505. Matsiman User_Name: Emile from bc MessagesHi! We're two pickers looking for a Mario, who's a buyer in Kelowna, BC. Does anyone have his contact? Please text or answer here (514 433 4611). Thanks! User_Name: Korea1128 MessagesLobo: I think you are mistaking me for another user with Korea in their username. I have not picked matsutake in Korea. Right now, they sell Matsutake for around 25-45 dollars a kilo. The local Matsutakes in Korea are going for around 500 a kilo User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesAs far as truffles go I know the basics well basics to some might seem advanced. I Have Found Some But Less Than 50. ANY SUGGESTIONS ::-) User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesWell haven't made it back into the high cascades but herd there a popping. I hope to go to my spots before they're flagged out. Something I know little about truffles anyone have any advice? User_Name: Lobo MessagesKorea1128; for some reason I thought you were in Korea. Have you ever foraged for matsutake there? User_Name: kootenaybrother MessagesLooks like the season is wrapping up in Nakusp, Lots of Flags, scoped out some new terrain,south facing Piles of Pine flags and soggy chanties! New terrain for next year. Capped off the season with a soak at halfway hotsprings, awesome forest! Loving the hot water nestled in the Old Growth!! User_Name: Fishgod MessagesKorea 1128, also, don't be afraid to ask the buyers where to pick. They want you to get lots so you sell to them lol! User_Name: Mike MessagesI'm looking to buy fresh chanterelles in Gibsons area e-mail totheroof@live.com User_Name: 2014 MessagesCool MM......first visit.......seems like a clean board this year. Rained hard the last 5-6 days and low 40's at night on the Hood......patches are gonna be kickin top soon. Really smells like a nice set up here. User_Name: Korea1128 MessagesThanks Fishgod for the great tip. I will look out for the buyers! User_Name: BakerMAn541 MessagesHow do you get into being a mushroom buyer??? User_Name: cash MessagesYa I heard its happening in hope? User_Name: cash MessagesHows the pine in Boston bar any one no? User_Name: Fishgod MessagesGood luck and welcome to the board! User_Name: Fishgod MessagesKorea1128, always a good idea to try to find out where the buyers are set up cause where there's buyers there's usually shrooms close by! User_Name: Korea1128 MessagesThanks Matsiman for the info. I will try my luck this weekend! User_Name: Matsiman MessagesKorea1128, Welcome to the board.
One of the first rules of picking is "Don't Tell Anybody Where Your Patches Are". I suggest you do some reading here on the site and learn how to find areas for yourself. http://matsiman.com/introduction.htm and http://matsiman.com/tips.htm . There is also a booklet that basically has the same info as tips. http://matsiman.com/booklet/matsutake_booklet.htm. I'm in Southwest Oregon. I think the primary host tree in your area is Hemlock.
You can just about bet most areas near roads are picked, but you could get lucky.
Matsiman User_Name: Korea1128 MessagesOh, and I also wanted to ask when would be a good time to go pine mushroom picking. It has been raining consistently for the past few days. Do you think the pines will be up by the weekend? or should I wait until the next weekend? User_Name: Korea1128 MessagesHi I am new to mushroom picking. I want to pick some pine mushrooms in the British Columbia area. I am a student and will only be picking for personal uses. I don't know the situation of pines in Korea but if anyone has any questions I can do a light search or some translating. If anyone knows some good pine mushroom areas between Vancouver and Pemberton, I'd love it if you shared some info with me. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesHey Carla, Good to here things might be looking up. The same here. Looks like we're forming a descent crop now and have been for a couple weeks. I lost my original weather source so can't be confident the model is correct. Gotta wait and see. It's a little early, but I'm going to check some early patches tomorrow afternoon. Matsiman. User_Name: Mushroom Poet MessagesThe middle flush, 3 of five is ending in the Nass. I picked almost sixty pounds of buttons this weekend and another thirty of mixed grades for a total of 860 bucks. My buddy made $450 yesterday but things are definitely slowing down. User_Name: Carla MessagesWoot, we just got 3 days of real rain! We might actually see a season here after all ;-) User_Name: freeride MessagesCan anyone tell me why pine #1's going for 32/lb further north and 8 down here? Might as well take em to burnaby and sell em myself #ripoff User_Name: ol' gulch MessagesHey Van, I'm in the abbotsford area and i buy chanterelles from time to time, send me an email if you want to chat: yourwildestfoods@gmail.com User_Name: Lily15 MessagesThere are two buyers in Hope off hope flood road. Pines are slow- chanterelles are starting to pick up. Also wondering if there is a buyer in Boston bar area. Any info would be appreciated. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour Count 439. User_Name: Rob 802 Messagesjust Dan where on vancouver Island are you and what u paying for pines or ph me 1-250-932-3263 User_Name: cash MessagesIs fast Freddy buying in hope anyone no? User_Name: cash MessagesAny pine poppin in bostin bar anyone no User_Name: Van MessagesAnyone buying chanterelles in abbotsford area? User_Name: Mad morel Messagesthank garf. I as well looking for pines but chanterelles keep popping up just to slow me down. lol User_Name: Arrow Shrooms MessagesKoots - For info on buyers in the Kootenay area you can email me at: hewat@telus.net User_Name: Fishgod MessagesThat's the spirit scruff! Full buckets, have fun! User_Name: Scruff MessagesExcellent, rain, cold and the cranky board has gone away. Time to head up to Garf Land soon and see if things have improved. Noticed Rusalas and mycelium spreading out over the forest floor the other day. Fresh caps on the high peaks. Yes User_Name: JustDan MessagesHi, I'm on Vancouver island, and I buy every kind of mushrooms! Give me a call: (514)797-6926 JustDan User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour Count 546. Matsiman User_Name: Mad morel MessagesYouTube video from my" best dame patch" of yellow chanterelles we have been picking all summer long and still picking + two others that have been slow all summer tell now. (1) Eastern slops of the cascades of washington stete #1 (2)Best dam patch around (3)Chantys in the night (4)Chanterelles go mad in Eastern Washington Cascades, Take some time to watch them it has been the best year for us and had alot of fun picking them and still picken. They started showing up on the 7th of july and are first sale was 10 lbs on the 18th of july. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesPhantom, are you using pc? If so may be good to do a scan if its kicking you out of email. When you first tried to post the photobucket stuff my iphone warned me it might be phishing. For years I've used a free program called "spybot search and destroy" works very well even if you have anti virus. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesThanks Phantom, no rush. Looks like a very cool place! User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesFishgod,for some reason I'm having problems with my e-mail trying to send but keeps kicking me off. As soon as I get it worked out I'll send you the where abouts. User_Name: Matsiman Messageskingmorel, Was thinking about you for a couple days. Good to see ya still kickin. Matsiman User_Name: kingmorel Messagesanyone buying dried morels? if so price plz.... kingmorel@hotmail.com User_Name: aro Messageshow much paying for good chantys?? User_Name: BCPicker MessagesHi, I'm a picker in the Bella Coola Valley and am seeking new buyers for my mushrooms and to see if there is a wider selection I could be picking. I'm trying to get in contact with buyers to get lists of what they buys, their terms, etc. If any buyers want to contact me they can email bcpicker@hmamail.com. If anyone has any advice or info to share, feel free to send a message there too. Thanks all! User_Name: Nightpicker MessagesMaybe mushroom Dave would know?any pine powell river area User_Name: Night picker MessagesI know it's not to late User_Name: Nightpicker MessagesIs anyone finding pine in powell river area User_Name: road23 Messagesit is too late to pick pines now? User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 26 Hour Count 565. Matsiman User_Name: scpicker MessagesThe buyer on reed rd in Gibsons should open this week as soon as some decent womless mushrooms pop. User_Name: prymetyme MessagesDoes anyone know any buyers in the Roberts Creek/ Gibsons area? User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesFew matsi's yesterday but didn't really go far out had my girls with me in the rain; ) User_Name: Fishgod MessagesPhantom, It's jamieanderson77@hotmail.com User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesFishgod,shoot me your e-mail. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesPhantom, any chance you could give me an idea where that place is? If you don't care to share publicly I could fire you my email. Would really like to check that place out sometime. User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesFishgod,ya it is,you have to see it in person to really appreciate it. There's more graves than what I posted and the picture from the river looking up at the hill is where the settlement is. I tried to do a little research on it but couldn't find anything or anyone that even knows anything about it. I tried to google some of the names on the head stones and again nothing, they probably didn't keep records back then. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesPhantom, got em! That is an awesome find! User_Name: Phantom picker Messageshttp://s1372.photobucket.com/user/Phantompicker1/profile/ Fish god try this one. I guess I was still doing something wrong. Good thing my kids are around to teech me lol User_Name: Fishgod MessagesPhantom, couldn't get the link to work:( User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesFish god,here is the link.the only way that I could get photobucket was by the link you posted cause I don't have enough space to download the apt so thanks man for letting me know about it. Phantompicker1.50472@uploads.photobucket.com User_Name: Fishgod MessagesStormking, welcome to Matsiman board! Phantom. When you put the pics on photobucket did you make a username so I can search for them? If you made an account you can copy the link and post the link to the board. User_Name: Dku MessagesI would like to buy some pine/ chanterelle for personal consumption and to share with friends. Must ship it to Edson, Ab. David. 780-517-2727 User_Name: Stormking MessagesThought i would say hi to all. New to this site, but been reading the messages for the last couple weeks. My first time back out picking Pines in almost 20 years, and so far i like what im seeing. I live in SW. Wa. Anyone else finding good pines in sw. Wa. Lately? Also looking for another picker to hook up with, if anyones interested lmk. Thanks for looking and be Safe.. User_Name: JDS MessagesGarf...I'm in Western Washington. User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesGarf,the first time I went there I found 4 rotten flags and nothing els,no sign of anything. So you never know man lol.good luck and be safe User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 23 Hour Count 408. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman MessagesMorning all, Let's take the gold discussion to the Mad Morel Bull Board. No one is using it and it was meant for this type of discussion. Matsiman User_Name: garf Messageshey Phantom great going ... holy smokes 25 lbs ..that makes me want to get out there again but i promised myself two weeks and i am not there yet... there wasnt even chantrelles where i was last time and i know where to look and no signs of baby matsu or anything ...no rusullas no boletes ... JDS i did two loads of firewood yeserday cut ,split and delivered so maybe tomorrow i will go for a drive have a look around ... not sure we are in the same areas even ... i do know tho that the mushrooms stations are getting nadda .... phantom was there any signs at all before when you checked 4 days ago....like last year this spot i went to had nothing showing too but on closer inspection there were little ones buried and i went back in a week to pick no signs like that this year... cheers and full buckets User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesFishgod,I posted some pictures of the cemetery and the train wheel that I mentioned earlier.there on photobucket. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesPhantom, not sure if you are using a phone or pc or something else but I got photobucket free for iphone and it works very well for sharing photos. I'm sure there's other programs too. You just save pics to photobucket, copy and paste the link to the board. Would like to see those photos. Nice if more folks share mushroom pics too! User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesI personally don't mind the gold talk since I my self do alot of it when I can. A couple of years ago I came across an abandoned settlement on the Fraser river. Theres a cemetery there with sixteen head stone and half of them are made of wood and the ones that are marble are from the early1800 so who knows how old the wooden ones are cause the writing on them has faded. I also found a set of train wheels there so I looked them up and found out that there from 1845 and the only other set of wheels is in a museum out in the states,can't remember where abouts thou. It's a cool site all of the fruit trees and grape vines that they had planted are still there and taken over the area. I figure that these people were settled there before the railway was put in place.ive got pictures of the place and if I can figure out how to post them I will.besides that pines are popping went out to a patch that had nothing four days ago and today they were everywhere,got 25lb in 2hrs it sure was nice but wet. If it can get a little colder I think pines would be popping even more.good luck and be safe. User_Name: Matsiman Messagesaustin, Thanks for the heads up on the gold talk. I was thinking the same. Don't think I'll make a board. There are 4 here all ready. We'll just take our discussion to email unless there are some here who are interested in gold as well as mushrooms.
Doesn't seam to be much going on with mushrooms. Pacific northwest is between matsi flushes, still picking the last one in some places and waiting for another formation to happen somewhere. Looks like another 2 to 3 weeks before anything could happen here in Southwest Oregon. The normal stat time here for commercial is the first week in November. Temperatures and rain are forecast to be good to cool and wet soils enough to begin formation. Just hope for a long spell of daily averages to be 59 to 64 degree F. A degree or 2 above or below these temps won't be harmful.
Matsiman User_Name: Fishgod MessagesAustin, the mushroom talk will always be on this forum. I kinda think its nice that we can talk other things at the same time. It's all outdoor treasure hunting nature stuff and all interesting besides, we need something to start chatting about when winter hits and there's no shrooms lol! User_Name: austin MessagesMaybe a new board for gold would be best. Most come here for mushrooms although we're all chasing rainbows and easy money. Some get lucky, most just have interesting stories to tell. User_Name: Lobo MessagesMatsiman; Yes I would like to see any drawings about it also. ..... Fishgod; I have had three Whites gold detectors but every time I swing one my back complains loudly, so I sell it and in a year or so I purchase a newer model. Last summer I purchased a Gold Bug from Arizona Outback and took it up to my mine; Yes the same thing happened. Casting for trout does it by the time I reel just one in. I used to be able hike into the wilderness and fish all day. It was stone masonry and hauling 8' logs for wood that did me in. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesMatsiman, definitely interested in any pics or info you can post in regards to gold recovery. Another thing I picked up was a metal detector, not for gold really but just treasure hunting. Couple of months ago found an antique ring that weighed 8 grams.......not bad for 10 mins. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesWell, the monsoon cometh. Heavy rain for most of the coming week in vancouver and the Fraser valley. Will be good for the rivers and the salmon. Guess we will see how long it lasts and and how it affects our beloved shrooms. Just seems to me that sudden and heavy rain for long periods can wreck things. Keep my fingers crossed, itching to get out there! User_Name: Matsiman MessagesLobo, Forgot to mention 2 couple feet of rope and a roll of cheap sheeting plastic. Plastic isn't necessary if other materials are available on site. I could make a drawing, take a pic and post the pic, if anybody is interested. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman MessagesI'm not the designer. They have been around a long time. A good mining and mushroom friend showed me how. They are extremely simple. You really don't build one. You just buy the parts, and put it together on site. No tool needed except a screw driver to tighten 2 hose clamps. Parts are as follows. Dredge hose, PVC pipe, tire inner tube, 2 hose clamps, a stick about a foot long and a sluice box. Matsiman User_Name: Lobo MessagesMatsiman; I drew up plans for such a dredge when they closed my favorite river in the 80's but did not have the engineering background and I got so busy researching mushrooms that it never got off the ground. Do you have a link? User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour Count 431. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman MessagesLobo, Only the box was made of wood. The rest was 1/8 welded steel. They were suppose to just change metal to stainless or aluminum and the box stainless, aluminum or plastic. Anybody hear of a siphon dredge. It uses no power and no pressure hose. Made from PVC or ABS pipe. They work as good or better than a power dredge. No noise and can be used in areas where no power equipment is allowed and dredging is permitted. Matsiman User_Name: JDS MessagesGarf...I went wood cutting Thursday and stumbled across a really nice Matsutake at the end of the day. It didn't look like the right kind of woods, but now I need to go back and look around some more. And there is a lot more wood there too! User_Name: Lobo Messages0h, I ought to say that a roll of ADS is expensive and 3" & 4" does not come in sticks. I get scraps from a pipe business, plumbing store or what ever business does drainage stuff. I made a high banker with an 8" 'T' & placed an old milk straining funnel in the off-shoot hole to shovel into. Some extra 8" scrap cut in 1/2 length wise for the sluice. At the head I placed an end cap and hose connection, as a sluice just leave the end cap off. User_Name: Lobo MessagesMatsiman; bummer about that company doing you wrong. Wasn’t your other thumper you sent photos of a few years ago made of wood, maybe a prototype? ……… Fishgod; I cannot recall the names of things I tried, you need to experiment for yourself, but I didn’t try liquid nitrogen. Make a cheap but great sluice with non perforated ADS pipe cut in 1/2 length wise. The ones made with the smaller pipe are often called poop tubes, I screw boards along the length for stability, works better for me than any flat bottom sluice; 3” works fine for me. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesMatsiman, that's too bad but the way it goes more often than not. Inventions especially in a niche market can be a tough gig I'm sure. The thumper is a great machine from what I can see, pretty much cuts panning time down to as minimum as one could wish for. I have no machine, no sluice and just spend my whole day out panning or taking samples to take home and pan(actually, my sister steals my samples and pans them lol) User_Name: Shroom luv MessagesI love picking chanterelle or matsutaka mushroom on the west coast. I'm just looking for some ares in pemberton then the other places I know to pick. I know there are other pickers in my area I just am looking for my self. I got out of the picking for money. Now I just pick for cooking and the love of the hunt. I used to pick on the island and on the west cost but with the forest being clear cutted I know just look for my self. I don't want people's picking spots just places to look for, other than the obvious. I used to pick out of port alberni but that is just killed now : ( compared to what it used to be. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFishgod. I sold the right to manufacture to a company who tried building them and seriously screwed them up. They sold them to another company who cant sell them. I am working with the new owner to fix everything and incorporate the last years improvements. I get 10% of net sales. Because of the screw up the costs of manufacturing, buying the machine and now re development, I won't get anything until they make a net of over 100,000.00. Might as well say I won't ever get a dime. OH well at lest the machine will work properly.
The video on the following link is the people who screwed it up. The page belongs to the guy who bought the rights. http://thegoldlab.com/gold-extraction-tools-the-gold-lab/the-thumper/
Matsiman User_Name: Fishgod MessagesThanks Matsiman, awesome video and very cool invention with the thumper. It looks kinda like back-tapping a pan and sluicing all at the same time. Thanks for sharing. Will you be selling these units at some point? User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFishgod, I won't get a copy. It's online at the production company page, or at least one of their pages. I like to stay in the background so am reluctant to give the link. They say it has been received very well and people love me. Just the kind of attention I prefer to do without. Anyway I suppose I should post the link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ulo1h7h72ccwtj7/Andy Sequence_Porchlight.mov User_Name: Fishgod MessagesMatsiman, if you get it please do share. Would very much like to see if I may. Sometime, we are going to head up country to look for nuggets. Thing about our part of the Fraser river(lower) its mostly flour gold. There are other rivers we have tried and recovered flakes from washing moss and such..... Lotsa work but fun! User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFishgod, It's not here. I just found out 2 days ago it exists. Seams the production company has been trying to contact me for 3 or 4 months. Matsiman User_Name: Fishgod MessagesMatsiman, for some reason I can't find the clip on your machine. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place? User_Name: Matsiman MessagesGOLD!! I have finally finished my finish machine after 2 years of fiddling around with the thing. Must say I'm impressed at the job it does. Literally no panning to reduce material into 5 to 10 minutes panning. Easy to operate. You just load the feeder, turn on water and wait till it finishes. Feeder capacity is 6 cups and lasts about 35 to 45 minutes.
There is a video of the machine online. It was taken about 2 years ago before I spent another year developing. Haven't seen the video yet cause on dial up. The video was done by a production company interviewing me. There is also a segment on Matsi. I think it is a little over 3 minutes. I saw a few seconds. I told them I wasn't very photogenic, and the video proves just that.
Matsiman User_Name: Fishgod MessagesIf you do happen to dig up those riverbank locations that would be awesome. Would probably faint if we found a nugget. I often thought of trying to make a sluice. We could buy a cheap, small one starting at $200 but its probably like anything else.......ya get what ya pay for! The decent high-bankers can get up there in price but with a sluice one can work it all day then take the concentrate home to pan it, seems the odds would certainly improve! User_Name: Fishgod MessagesLobo, your deworming/ debugging method, would vaccum sealing work and keep them cold do you think or would it be too harsh with no air at all?also my sister has a farm and I can get access to liquid nitrogen. Have often thought of flash freezing matsutake in the nitrogen but not sure if they would be any good after thawing. User_Name: Lobo MessagesFishgod; a sluice is nice, I have taken more than one ounce of gold in one day with a sluice. I was deep in a canyon and the river often came up 20' during spring flood. When the water dropped I worked the top of a large rock that the river where water pressure had blown some gold up out from the river bed. I know of a spot in BC that has river bank nuggets but cannot recall where without my map book, it is in the store room where I cannot access with the wheel chair or walker. The next time a friend comes over perhaps he can get it for me. I really doubt that I will ever get up there and like the other information I shared earlier I no longer need to keep my secrets because I doubtfully wil be able to use them myself. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesThe best we have found is flakes, no nuggets yet! Gold prospecting is very time consuming but very fun. We are quite new to it. Just really and excuse to get together with my sis in the great outdoors User_Name: Fishgod MessagesLobo, very interesting stuff indeed! Turns out my sister and I prospect for gold also. Mainly panning but looking to obtain a sluice. User_Name: Lobo MessagesI have been experimenting and researching for many years. A friend [now deceased] who knew of my method for preserving the veil visited a friend of his whom exports matsutake. I do not know if his friend discovered the same method on his own but suffice to say he was doing a conveyor processing shrink-wrap version of it after my friend left. I am a bit of inventor and in the mid 80's developed a method of gold dredging recovery that is environmentally feasible and cheap to build, every thing needed can often be purchased at the local hardware store. Even the Bureau of Mines came by where I was working and took photographs. User_Name: Lobo MessagesFishgod; the plan for many years has been to write my activities in adventure stories, but never got around to it. ...... Last year was a good one for me, I found matsutake everywhere I checked in central Oregon on my three day commercial permit, then went to Washington to check my yellow chanty and bolete patches . But then I wasn't selling so it was not necessary to watch for worms, I have a method for their removal. By the time I got back to southern Arizona about two weeks later I placed some of the matsi bags in the fridge for a period of maybe two weeks longer, I need to check my research journal; all of my #1's were still tight with full veil & I took pictures, sliced & finished drying them just prior to having my stroke. When I first researched this method it was for removing hoppy bugs and worms from morels; in my research I have picked in Diamond Lake area and sold in Randle Washington in an experiment two weeks later, #1 matsutake. I have shared my method with a few friends over the years, the secret is to cut of the air and keep them cold. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesDidn't see the last couple of sentences in your post, when I saw the stroke part I kinda focused on that part(I'm bad that way) anyway, you answered the question. On another note its great to see that some of our people seem to be having a great year. I will go with my gut and say the best is yet to come in my area. Next couple of weeks things will get crazy good with shrooms. You can all poke fun at me if I'm wrong! In lower mainland and Fraser valley I have found chanties are best late oct and right into early dec. white chanties (my fave)being much heartier go later than golden ones. Like mentioned before I have picked whites when it snows! User_Name: Fishgod MessagesLobo, I can't imagine the challenge it must be to suffer a stroke. With all the things you have done in your life have you considered writing an autobiography?(including mushroom stories of coarse) User_Name: Lobo MessagesFishgod; It has been an amazing manic ride. When I was running the circuit I was known as manic john because of my inability to stay in one place and pick. Of course it made me able to jump from site to site doing research on thousands of mushroom areas from BC to SoCal. Now after one year having the stroke I am slowed down considerably and have only about 1/4 usage of my former self. I need to get busy writing my memoirs before it all fades away. User_Name: koots MessagesHi all, heading to my old stomping grounds around Kaslo on kootenay lake this weekend to see how the pines are doing...suspect they need a day or two of wet and we could see a nice bumped crop. Question: anyone know of buyers in the kootenay or Vancouver area? Anyone have prices this year for the matsutakes? User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour count 455. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman MessagesAdded a buyer to the year round list. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesThanks to all for sharing.
Mad Morel, You should change your user name to "Mad Morel and Chantie Nut". You seam to always have a good season in Chanties. Got a question. Are things dry when you pick. Sounds like it hot, but is it dry also.
The reason I ask is because my study partner and I have noticed hot weather is beneficial to chanties. Just an observation, curious to hear if what we see is connected to chantie production.
Talked with the president of NAMA (North American Mycological Society) in about 2001 at a lecture my study partner and I presented. The lecture was given at one of their forays at Diamond Lake. She said she had a model similar to mine on Chanties. We didn't have time to talk more about her model, but she said it worked. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman MessagesKorea Picker1101, Welcome to the board. Your post may help some of us understand why prices are so low. Keep posting cause all of us want to know more about matsi in your country. Matsiman User_Name: Mad morel MessagesThis has been a year for many dry weather mushrooms the like the high temps that we are having. My first yellow chanterelle was on 7-7-2014and the best dam patch has been putting on all summer with more then I could pick and it still going and going and going. The patch is about 80 yards long and about 55 yards wide and I have picked about 600 hundred lbs so fare this years and it is still putting more new baby chanterelles on and the weather is still holding on to vary warm day's to just warm 70's( H) to 80's(L) with med 40's at night. Some of you my ask where I live and I'll just say eastern sloops of the Cascades of Washington. Boletes Joe, I do believe you are right about one thing and that is when this heat wave end's The matsutake well be out standing and maybe the best year have ever seen and I could be wrong but many years I have seen them pop out of the ground as if a fire was burnning under them. Honey mushrooms are going wild over here like I never seen before and the White Russula's have been popping up everwhere unreal. One more week and we all well find out how well the matsutake and labster's and chanterelles well last with ran sometime med week of next week. hedgehog's (sweetooth) have been better then I every seen them here before so get out and enjoy it because the good weather may not last very much long. User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesFor all of the pickers getting skunked I suggest going in the high cascades. Somewhere between mount Jefferson and Saint helens. I an tell you that this is one of the few years I have found Chanterelles and Matstaukes growing with in feet of each other. Not to mention angel wings and at least 17 other mushroom types. I know just about all of them but I think you all can figure out witch ones. The ground was several times way more moist than I expected. MY Advice is upper cascades for you all in Oregon and Washington. GOOD luck. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesLobo, sounds like you have had some amazing experiences! User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesBy the way I have found more since last weekend. I thought MATSI'S would be shot this year? Sometimes I like to be wrong;*) User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesHope you're right B Joe. User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesAnyone else have any idea why all of the wildlife and or the insects and worms avoid Chanterelles but go after almost any other mushrooms even Aminitas? There are only a handful of of other mushrooms they seem to ignore. like early spring false Morels . User_Name: Boletus Joe MessagesI have a question, or maybe an observation..... Relates to the weather/climate..... Here on the west coast we are having an amazing season for Cauliflower and Lobster mushrooms. In the past I would be lucky if I found one Cauliflower in a week. This year I keep tripping over them. As for Lobster the quality here has always been keep 15% throw the rest away. Now I am able to keep 60-70%. Channies OTOH..... Well this looks like a ONE crop year. There has been one big late flush and no signs of a second flush coming. Now I am sure this all has to do with the long hot dry spell we have had..... But this is the 3rd year that this has been trending. Now we are about to loose about 3-4 degrees Celsius in our day time temp and I am going to go out on a limb here...... But I think all hell is about to break out with the Matsi's in the next week........ User_Name: Lobo MessagesOops, old man memory. It was in 1973 that I was sent to Korea, in September 1974 I was carrying my elk out of Pete King Creek in north Idaho and then on to be stationed in Spain for two years. How I loved hiking and fishing those two countries. It was a Capital Offense for some people to cut a tree or its branches in Korea so I surmise that the short Ponderosa Pines I saw in 73 are now mature enough for matsutake growth. It seems to me that the 9 kings tombs area would have been good for matsutake because the war did not devastate that area. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesFrom what I have read, matsutake of Korea are different than the ones we harvest. Korea picker1101, may I ask if there are other mushrooms in your area which you harvest? Do you have chanterelles, morels and such varieties? User_Name: Lobo MessagesKorea Picker1101; good to see a person from Korea on the board, I truly enjoyed my time there. I never hunted mushrooms while I was stationed at K-55 back in 1974-1975 but I did travel a lot on the buses and trains. I saw elk antlers sitting on bales of seaweed outside a shop in Suwon City and asked the owner where they had come from and he said they were from the mountains up near the ski resort. Down in the lower mountains where I hiked the ponderosa trees were (after the war) planted in rows and no more than 15 to 20 feet tall. User_Name: Kootenaybrother MessagesMajor rain event in the forecast maybe one last kick at the bucket for the season in Nakusp.Good times in the bush!! User_Name: Korea Picker1101 MessagesVery interesting website and info. Matsutake have very good season with wet weather this year in Korea. Unfortunately that means more carrying and less price -_- Has growing season been good in west coast North America? User_Name: Orizaba MessagesLooks like rain soon in NW Oregon. Looking for Chanterelle Pickers and folks preparing for Winter Mushrooms. (Hedgehogs, Yellowfoot, Black Trumpet. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesChilliwack, Thank you for your update also. I have always found later oct to mid nov to be prime time in that region. Also on parts of vacouver island. I will keep everyone posted when I make it out too. Folks seem to worry sometimes about sharing reports but truth is we all follow different trails and no two pairs of eyes are the same. Personally on a number of occasions I have walked areas that pickers have just been through an still find plenty of buttons cause the buggers can hide really well! User_Name: from Chilliwack MessagesHello, Today I drove up to Boston bar to look for any, spend 3 hours climbing up and did not find a single one! The soil is well moist. It seems too soon in the saison! Over the Nahatlatch river a brige will be close for repair from October 20 to the end of the month. There will be noway to go across for 2 weeks. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesPhantom, thanks for the update. Was going to head up there this weekend but will hold off for a week or so due to your update. If Fred's not there yet it means it ain't happening. Wonder if he's still in Nakusp? Will give him a shout maybe. Take care and be safe! User_Name: PHantom picker MessagesSelkie,I have fellow pickers in the hope and Boston Bar area and to let you know the Boston Bar area has verry little coming out the buyer there is lucky to get a basket of ones per night. The hope area is a little better but nothing to brag about. There's one buyer at each place and fred is not there yet. I hope this helps you.good luck to all and be safe. User_Name: Lobo MessagesI guess it ought to be said that morels are also to be found in SoCal, New Mexico, Texas, Old Mexico and points south, unless it freezes them out. In areas that do not freeze hard, morels sometimes are found until it warms up again in the more northerly latitudes, be sure to look beside the cactus; love those cactus morels which have been seen from San Diego to Texas. Sorry no exact locations. User_Name: Lobo Messageshoracewayne; I wish to apologize for my quick and not well thought out response. You are to be congratulated for finding morels when so many others cannot. Arizona is different from areas northward in that the spring natural morels are found at times, as well as in the fall, look under Sycamores in spring. Fire morels and king boletus (white & brown) are mainly a product dependent upon Monsoon season. Congratulations on your findings, just be careful about involvements that might leave you with regrets. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesLobo, Amen to your last post. Those who deal with Chris beware. Matsiman User_Name: fresh picker Messagesi need a mushroom buyer in powell river the pines are starting to pop up and i've already got a few and some chanterelles i even found a few pigs ears so please someone let me know if theres any buyers around yet i don't have a car this year to go looking all around for buyers User_Name: Fishgod MessagesSelkie, call buyer Fred (250)315 8367 he sets up at silver creek in Hope and should be there now. Good luck. Do me a favour please. Once you get to the area could you let me know how it is? I do not sell and only pick for my table and for fun so won't be competing for your wages. Thanks in advance. P.s Fred will tell you also of buyers on the island I'm sure. User_Name: Lobo Messagesmatsiman; as you are aware it is in the spring when this board gets the most morel questions. Now is the time for fire morels down here but it may get hammered if Chris comes and starts filming. ...... horacewayne; tell your friends but to those of us who have had dealings with Chris we would advise against it. Ask mad morel or king morel Randy Marchand or myself who have had photographs & writings plagiarized in his book or those who have been short-changed when conducting a foray. ...... He may have mellowed over the years but it even though I forgave him there have been enough occurrences since to make me believe that it is true the old saying that a leopard can't disguise itself by attempting to change it's spots. ....... If he was truly repentant he would make it right with all those he has screwed instead of making excuses. User_Name: horacewayne Messagesfall morels in Arizona! but not like in Wa state or Montana.....gave Matherly a pic-will be going out more User_Name: Selkie79 MessagesDoes anyone have any contacts for buyers in the Hope/Boston Bar area or Vancouver Island? Thank you just sorting out the timing from apple picking to fungi foraging. Cheers. Good luck to all. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesHeads up Southwest Oregon and Northern California mushroom people. The beginning of next week will bring weather to begin formation conditions for matsi. Historically the middle of October has been the best time frame for formation of good crops. Watch for moderate warming after the forecast cooling. A 5 to 10 degree warming for a couple weeks will mean a good crop. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour count 407. Matsiman User_Name: zypheria Messagesis there good picking im kootenrys or nuskip User_Name: Fishgod MessagesLobo, you shared a recipe! Thanks, that's awesome and will try it. The only think I like as much as picking is eating the darned things! We have many great and quality people on this board and I feel lucky and honoured to be here.Thank you Matsiman for all your hard work in creating and maintaining your site for us and also graciously sharing your valuable knowledge and encouraging others to do the same. User_Name: fresh picker Messagesis there any mushroom buyers in powell river right now and where are they located thank you and have a great night User_Name: Matsiman MessagesLobo, Thanks for the offer. I'm sure there are many who will ask. Nice to have someone with your experience and knowledge. I'm dumb as a rock when it comes to morels. Matsiman User_Name: Lobo MessagesI suppose it ought to be stated that I will continue to help newbies and others who ask fire morel questions, like before. If I do not know the answer I will say so. As previously stated I greatly appreciate what I have learned concerning matsitake mushrooms from matsiman even prior to his creating this site, he indeed helped me better hunt and understand this great fungi which are indeed yummy sliced, then grilled and dipped in Tamarra Sauce. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesPhantom picker, Just replied to your email. Think I found why the others didn't make it. The email address on your message has no capital C the email you first gave has. Not sure if that was the problem. User_Name: freshpicker Messagesthis year is horrible all my chantrell patches are just bare i usually get 30 pounds out of the one patch this year i only got about 3 pounds User_Name: freshpicker Messagesdoes anyone know what time the buyers are open till in powell river User_Name: Jazzzame MessagesI just had to post to say "thank you" to all that have helped Stephanie in her quest! That really warmed my heart to know you would help her out like you have! I too have been there, done that, and have felt her need. Thankfully God blessed me with many Truffles to sell, and then lead me down the other mushroom trails. Now, I am a happy, healthy, rich with blessings shroomer (not commercially), who also enjoys helping others both forage for food, AND protect the forest at the same time. Thanks for all you do, and thanks for the site Matsi! User_Name: Matsiman MessagesPhantom picker, just sent another email. I copy pasted your address from the other message board. Best way to assure I have the right address is to email me, Then I just hit reply. Matsiman User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesMatsiman,I still did not get your e-mail. User_Name: Lobo MessagesSteve from Oregon; Yepper it’s amazing how someone can do a little bit of research in an area and then postulate that their findings apply essentially to everywhere. I have researched hundreds of burn sites to compile my research. Once when I sent corrective information about fire morel research in a private Email to six “PhD types who’s names appear on many government papers” instead of discussing it with me, my computer was attacked and somehow remotely destroyed. Now I figure let them make fools of themselves, lead people astray and I keep most of my research to myself until I publish, when I get a voice activated keyboard. With my stroke it has taken a more than half an hour to type just this much. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesI neglected to tell those who have ask for forecast templates and I offered help in working them. Whatever you share with me is private information. If you choose to share info with others, it's your decision, I won't. Matsiman User_Name: garf Messagesi remember one day going to an early patch and found it to be just dug ,,,unreal the havoc that was created by deer digging and then the huges patches that even dug up and moss everywhere that i hadn't seen to this extent before .. i soon found bear sign and lo and behold there was still a bear in the patch. Man did they ever dig a lot.. if the mushrooms are showing it isnt as bad but these were mostly buried buttons and they were eager to get a feed . I have found that if deer are raking up the ground big time there is invaribly buried buttons or soon will be. They do miss just like us.. poor season here for me... at least so far. full buckets . User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 hour count 410. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman MessagesPhantom picker and northern, My bad. I emailed both of you, but got the address wrong. I have sent replies again.
Steve from oregon, WOW, guess you needed to get some thoughts out in the open. These PHD types can be rather condescending. They think they know more than the people who hit the ground and learn from hands on experience. They certainly have more book learning and in some cases can help understanding what we see. I have been working with a few of them for 20 years. In the beginning they treated me with little respect. Took about 10 years to gain their respect. Some still think I'm off the wall.
Don't let them get to you. You know what you know and that's that. If they aren't open enough to accept your contributions, it's their loss. Everybody has something to add. No matter how unbelievable your contribution is, it's still worth investigation.
Matsiman User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesFor now on I will try to find a way to share this site especially with sincerely nice newbies and cut out the wannabe know it all's. User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesMy irritation is not directed towards this site just idiots on other sites not that they are all idiots morons plain dumb F's. User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesThe chat room controls the language figure it out for yourself. User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesI gotta get something off my chest. I have met Botanists mushroom professors mycologests ect. I have yet met to meet one that could candle to the peeps on the field. Such as Lobo Matsiman or mad morel. I myself refuse to share any more of my knowledge with these people unless they get out in the bush. Get the Full out of the classroom and learn real ship yourself! !!!!!!! User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesIt might sound crazy but I have found Chanterelles ripped out of the ground and tossed into the trees. I am fairly sure that it must of been dear or bears as I have seen this in the deep wood's no sign of human prints just mainly scars on the trees from antlers rubbing. User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesFish, Congratulations on all of those Salmon. I have also fished as far back as I can remember and know it takes skill and patience to land Salmon on the regular basis well maybe a bit of luck also ;). I have been wondering this for years does anyone have a theory on why the worms and critters leave chanterelles alone. As we all know they can't get enough of the boletes and matstaukes. User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesMatsiman,did not get your e-mail. My e-mail only has one capital and it's at the beginning. Just incase that's why it didn't work. User_Name: Zed MessagesFish god it is really nice to read someone giving a newbie some genuine advice. I have been in the game about 25 years and I learn something new every year. I always look at my fruitless scouting hikes not as failures but 1. As good exercise and 2. As successfully ruling that area out ( for the season). Lol....zed User_Name: Matsiman MessagesPhantom picker, Didn't get your email. I have my spam filters at max cause I get 75 t0 100 spams a day. They are deleted on the server immediately. Probably got stuck there. I did email you after finding you message on the what you want board. Matsiman User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesMatsiman,did you receive my e-mail? User_Name: Fishgod MessagesAlso, don't feel badly or unskilled if you see individuals bringing hundreds at a time, these people are well seasoned expert professional harvesters who have usually been doing it for years. Work hard and smart, if one area doesn't work, search another. It's like fishing, if you're in the wrong spot you'll never catch a fish so try another.different lure=different terrain. Mix it up till you hit a good patch User_Name: Fishgod MessagesStephanie, I know where a lot are picked in that area but where many folks pick is in an area that is illegal to pick unless you are native indian status. If you are non-native they will catch and fine you so it's not worth it to go there IMO. Go to Skinnys grill parking lot and ask for buyer Fred, tell him you know Jamie and ask him to give you an idea of where to go. It's in his best interest to point you in the right direction.I would tell you to find south-south west facing mountain sides with mossy ground and medium sized old growth trees with filtered light(preferably with clear cut areas on one or more sides and then.........climb like a mountain goat, no kidding, traverse upwards, side to side. Covering different elevation is key but work one mountain side at a time thoroughly. Good luck and don't give up.......hit the mountains! User_Name: Matsiman MessagesStephanie, There are a few pages here you could read. First, http://matsiman.com/tips.htm Then http://matsiman.com/booklet/matsutake_booklet.htm Has mostly what is in the first link only you can print and make a booklet. Also http://matsiman.com/introduction.htm which is the basics. Follow the links at the bottom of each page. Good luck and take Kootenaybrother advice. "Keep on walking ridges and road sides can be good, keep on exploring terrain." Matsiman User_Name: Kootenaybrother MessagesKeep on walking ridges and road sides can be good,keep on exploring terrain.some of these highballer mushroom Pickers have been tro ping the bush for years!Every year I hit new terrain,finding new patches every year since the early 90 s!Diversify lobsters, hedgehogs,chanterelles,cauliflower,blue chanterelles,matsutake ,Salale,rose hips,wild fruit trees,FIREWOOD!,preserve and dehydrate,hunting and fishing,wild ginger,gold panning ,good times in the bush!Paid vacation forageing in the bush! User_Name: Stephanie MessagesHi There, I was hoping for a little help or some nuggets of advise. This is my first year Pine mushroom picking, I love being in nature and am working hard for a couple things my kids need. I cant seem to find a good area. I have been out for three days and each day only finding 2-6 of them. The buyers are telling me there are some people coming in with hundreds a day. I must be doing something wrong. I am aware of the Hemlock trees, the terrain to look for etc. I am in the skagit area and able to go to boston bar if there would be better results. Just not too sure what Im doing wrong, Would love to keep this passion alive and find some success at it. I know people dont like to share there locations, if you dont live in the area anymore and can share any info please let me know. My email is mychallengehome@gmail.com I will kindly email 10% of anything I make back to anyone who can tell me where to look. Thanks so much in advance to you all, I have been reading your posts to keep inspired. Cheers User_Name: Matsiman MessagesMushroom Poet, Thanks for the update. Sounds like a small flush, anyway enough to keep up your interest. Matsiman User_Name: Mushroom Poet MessagesThe price in the Nass Valley was 12 bucks a pound for matsutake yesterday. This was up from 9 bucks the day before. Sadly though, I found several brown brittle mushrooms and some moldies after work but still picked 25 pounds. Happy picking to you all. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 hour count 504. Matsiman User_Name: ~NorthIdaho~ MessagesMatsiman, If it's not to much of a bother I would be in great debt to you, if I could trouble you for a templet for myself? Thank you My email logtrucking.bb@gmail.com User_Name: Fishgod MessagesSo nice that we can pick mushrooms and go fishing n stuff. We are lucky to have these activities at our disposal. There are people on this earth who have never seen a tree let alone pick a shroom or catch a fish. We have it pretty darned good! User_Name: Fishgod MessagesSteve, sounds like you just strained your knee. If the pain is at the back of the knee, (back of leg at joint), just take it easy for a few days. If pain is on the front you should probably take it a bit easier from now on. Btw all.......went fishing again today. Gave away another 2 chinook(king) salmon. Was targeting Coho (silver) salmon. Hooked 10 or so and landed none! Slippery bastards! Oh well, was still a beautiful day and heaps of fun. User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesShroomer, I have read that reshi, has the same qualities medical wise. What is your opinion also I am in Oregon email Sonicstv21@msn.com. User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesHi all, No my didn't swell that much but the pain was definitely in the joint. I haven't hiked that rough of trails since last year. My legs were getting twisted in all directions lol User_Name: shroomer Messagessteve,this winter get yourself some chaGA. its a winter pick only. must be picked at coldest time of the year.,,,minus 30 /s is good for the quality.....makes the best medication..don/t pick in warmer temps as the quality is very poor. heard about the guy in the zoo.. bought way to early.ouch,thats going to hurt the pocket book ...if your interest insome email me r2421@citywest.ca you/ll be up in no time...and pain free ,,,no other meds required...no bs... plenty up north here.see I/m a chaga harvester......helped out many of people with my product...if you live in Canada,we can get it to you,,sorry no export liscence for the states .....sure helping the early with joint pains.like a fountain of youth...rebuilds.....jewel of the forest User_Name: Fishgod MessagesUnderstood Matsiman, and appreciated. I am not particularly great on a pc but can manage. Please do send me a template if you don't mind. I will send my email to the say what you want board if that's ok and if that's how you plan to send it.thank you! User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFisgod, Want to answer your question about sending me data.
Data collection is the first step in any analysis. The collector needs to follow a strict line of methods. How you pick (harvest method), where you pick (must be the same patches every time you gather info), and recording that info. If someone else is picking the same patches, your info won't be complete.
Not really to complicated, but if not followed, the info gathered is less useful and can change final analysis.
Do you have Excel or any spread sheet program? It's the best way to record and analyze. I can send you the template file to enter the info. You just need to know how to use two formulas, average and sum.
I would rather you do the investigation. You can't learn if somebody else does the work. I will guide you through if need be, but I think you can handle it. I'll make the same offer to anyone else interested in doing their own analysis in their area.
Matsiman User_Name: Fisgod MessagesSteve, when my knee acts up(usually the right but sometimes the left) it literally swells like a balloon with fluid. Is this what happens with yours? User_Name: Fishgod MessagesMatsiman, When I go picking I will start keeping notes and also track of temps. Also, there is a buyer who I call sometimes to get info. I will keep track of that too. may i pass all that info along to you ? User_Name: Fishgod MessagesSteve, a tensor bandage could take off some of the pressure but don't use all the time and never while you sleep. Low impact exercise such as light weights on a leg machine at a gym can build muscle to take the strain off the cartilage. Ice will help with swelling along with Advil for pain. Supplements like calcium, vitamin e, d and b12 can be helpful. Fish oils. Glucosamine worked very well for me. As far as foot ware goes, something with good arch support and memory foam insert could be a good choice. Most important thing is to avoid high-impact activity like running. If you climb uphill, take your time and go gently and slowly. Hope this helps User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour Count 507. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFishgod, Yes there is a low where the soils in your area loose the ability to form as well as a hi where soils are not cool enough to produce. That's why previous years info is needed.
Lets say you have a formation pattern in late summer or early fall. The lowest temps from the weather station you use, 3 day average, is 65F. You find no mushrooms. Then there is another cooling to 63F. You find mushrooms after formation pattern indicates some are formed. Then 63F is likely the hi end of possible formation temps. The same holds true for the low end. Maybe at 52F you have a formation with mushrooms. The next cooling is 51F and formation temps, but few or no mushrooms. Then it is likely 52F is the bottom end.
The important element is the weather station. If it doesn't emulate the temps for the drainage, it won't work.
Models have a reputation for not working. Most say crap in, crap out. So if you don't put good info in, you won't get good info out.
Soil temps are not as readily available as air temps. Air temps won't give you actual soil temps, but can give you an idea what soils are doing. So far works for me and others who have used the model.
Matsiman User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesHi. Carla good too Se you back and hope all is well. Some of my patches are nearly 3 weeks late. I will see about the coast plan on going again in the next few weeks. I was there in the pacific area around the pelican place. Found some lobsters and amanitas but that was all. User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesBy the way I left most of the flags to spore out. Also my backpack has very small openings. Can't say for sure but some of those spores may take hold. I have seen similar things in the past when you are in the right environment. User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesFish any good suggestions on shoes and or boots? What about knee wraps? User_Name: Carla MessagesHi Steve! Hi Fishgod! Good too see some familiar faces around here :-) User_Name: Carla MessagesLobo, that would be fantastic! User_Name: Fishgod MessagesSteve, yes mushroom hunting can be bloody hard work. Careful with the knee, my knees are buggered from working like a dog for most of my life. My Mom had a knee replacement 2 years ago. When I am hard on mine they swell like balloons. Just take care of them and be sure to wear really good shoes with support in them! User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesHi Carla good to see you alive and well you as well lobo aka morel loving teddy bear ;) User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesMy knee is bothering me I almost thought I would have a problem getting back to my car. I wish the back roads weren't torn up with all the dug holes but I understand why. That with steep slopes almost need a rope. User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesApologize for the double message cut and paste would not work some kind o's software conflict. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesYes, late oct-mid nov have always been most productive for me. Thank you for taking the time and working the forecast. Is there a low temp or difference in low and high that would suggest when it's game over? Air temp of coarse. I gather its also perhaps dependant on soil temps? User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesWell had a decent day not the best or worst. Found 6 pounds of MATSI'S had to work for them ;). I did see at least 20 different mushrooms surprisingly enough the area was moist. I didn't take the time to take pictures of all of them my mind was on the Matstauke User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesWell had a decent day not the best or worst. Found 6 pounds of MATSI'S had to work for them ;). About quarter of the ones I picked we're #1 buttons passed a lot of flagged out ones. Got some boletes and chanti's as User_Name: Fishgod MessagesThanks Matsiman, I will keep you posted once I get out there! User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFishgod, Finish the model. From what I can tell with no previous years temp data and no pounds picked, You had a flush about the first week in Sept. You then made another small crop you are picking now. You have reached a lower temp than before so you have a chance for another crop.
Not looking good though. Temps aren't rising and probably won't have enough time to form before the next cooling. Then again, the next cooling will start things all over as long as the soils don't get to cold. Seen as many as 5 formation chances in one fall.
If you say you have until November, then there is still plenty of time to form.
Matsiman User_Name: Fishgod MessagesThat's awesome Matsiman! I searched government websites and others and simply could not find anything similar. I added the link you posted to home screen on iphone.As you can see we have had a very long run of hot, dry weather. User_Name: Lobo MessagesHello Carla, good to see you again. My wife is taking a vacation with her daughter, along the coast this week from the Olympics through California and then back to Arizona. Wish I could do the trip also and stop in to see you. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFishgod, Found the data needed. http://www.weather.com/weather/monthly/CAXX0192?month=-1 I'm going to start in September and go from there. Should find out something starting that far back. With this weather data source, I can check anywhere in Canada this source has weather archives. Matsiman User_Name: Fishgod MessagesIt's kinda earie to find one User_Name: Fishgod MessagesKooteneybrother, Are the waste piles of old gold mines? It's so cool to see any only mines, they sometimes just abandon them with equipment, old vehicles and everything. It's like they said "k boys, drop everything lets go home" and leave a ghost camp. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesThe highest daytime temperature for the next 7 days is 73.4 F and lowest night is 48.2 F. Sunny for the most part till next Sat. Each day and night temp will be within a couple of degrees of those numbers. User_Name: Fishgod Messageshttp://mw.theweathernetwork.com/fivedayforecast/cabc0138 Matsiman, I know your internet is slow but hopefully you can load the link ok. If not i am happy to give you a daily report. The link is for the whole week in Hope bc. It's in Celsius . User_Name: Kootenaybrother MessagesTalked to a local today, to my surprise he found blue chanterelles yesterday on a local trail . Gonna scope out the trail tomorrow , should be interesting there's some old mining relics in the area , if I find some edibles, I wonder where the old mining tailings pile are, all things considered, walking the dogs good times in the bush!! User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFishgod, cool down is absolutely necessary. That is the beginning point, What follows determines if mushrooms are formed or not.
There is a possibility of forming until soils in all patches are too cool to begin process.
I need daily hi and low, or the average for that day. Matsiman User_Name: Fishgod MessagesMatsiman, will do my best however, can't seem to find the last cool down. If I keep you updated on coming weather trend would this help. Will keep searching for last cool down. In my humble experience the best time in my region for matsi is late oct to mid Nov. I actually have a gut-feeling this year could be good. I have picked beautiful white chanties right into December before in the snow lol! User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFishgod, If you can get the temps starting from the last cool down, and continue sending them till the next, I'll run the model and see what is says for the future this year. If it hasn't gotton too cold, I believe there is a chance for another flush. Each cooling presents a chance for another crop. That is until the soils cool beyond the temperature to be able to form a crop. It ain't over till it's over. Matsiman User_Name: Fishgod MessagesPhantom, In the Fraser valley and Hope area of B.C. I'm sure the mushrooms will be in the same condition. In the coming week the lowest overnight temp. Is only going down to 9 Celsius (48 f) those temps certainly do spell worms. I will hold off picking till it cools down. Will go fishing instead though the lack of rain has left us with low and clear rivers which can also be a challenge. Hi Carla, nice to see you again and hope all is well! User_Name: Carla MessagesGood Morning Peeps! I hope everyone is starting to find some white gold out there. There is still nothing popping in my area, which is the Oregon coast. I heard about one or two people starting to find nice stuff over in Canada. So congrats to you fellas! User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesWent out early this morning to a patch that I haven't been to in 5yrs. Started going down the hill and man it was looking good. I could see lines of pines as far down as I could wawhoo I thought untill I got to them, lines of 15 to 20 mushrooms and then the thrill was gone, only 2 or 3 good mushrooms out of each line what a bummer man. Ended up with 3lbs out of maybe 100 or so mushrooms, it's still to warm we need some cool weather and untill then they'll be worms. Left a lot of babies but I'm not going to keep high hopes for them. Even the bumps that I thought were going to be good we're mush. Even the ones that feel hard have some worms in them when you cut to Chek. Untill the cool weather gets here it isn't looking very promising. The weather station is pridicting sun and warm days and nights all week so I think I'm going to take some time off to catch up on other things. Good luck and be safe. User_Name: northerntour MessagesHi everyone. I e-mailed Mike the Lake Cowichan, Van Island buyer for an update. The following is Mike's response "Paying $3.50 for yellow chanterelles. Not many coming in. Need more rain. Only a few small areas producing some." User_Name: rover MessagesAnyone have prices for the cranberry and are any buyers open thanks User_Name: Boletus Joe MessagesWhat can I say, This sight has more info about Masutake, the 10 others put together. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink......... The thing is that a good majority of the people that visit are only interested in the "QUICK" dollar. And do not take the time to do any digging...(for info) How many pople always expect someone else to do all their work for them.... I think it is a generational thing. anyone below the age of 45 has grown up in the (information) age, and yet expects to be spoon fed for the most part. I could go on and on.... but I have a few little babies out there that I have to check on before the ripping crew find them..... have a great day...... And THANK YOU Andy for all you wonderful work. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 23 hour count,441. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFishgod, Said it before. Most come to the board without investigating the rest of the site. I tried to provide enough info from various origins to give people enough to allow each individual to arrive at his or her own conclusions. I will do what I can to help clarify what they read, but there is some technical stuff I don't understand. Yes there is far more info yet to be discovered not mentioned in these pages, but still allot contained within them.
There are allot of intelligent visitors here. They don't need anyone to lead them down any path to conclusions. Read what is here and decide for yourself.
Good one Steve from oregon. Matsiman User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesI have found mushrooms under tarps before. I think it holds in the condensation. But be careful pulled up a tarp last week and found some angry homeless guy. User_Name: Fishgod Messages"Once it's gone it's gone" folks, there may never be another 95-97 crop or maybe there will be. Either way the "King pin" buyers will screw you again and again. I hear so many stories of "not worth the gas" even on a supposedly good year. The days of making money on mushrooms are over.......thing of the past. Lets get back to basics and hunt for mushrooms for the pleasure of it rather than trying to make an impossible buck for the benefit of rich people we have never met. Mushroom hunting is a passion, a kinship with nature and an uncanny ability to spot a golden chanterelle while driving, drinking a coffee and telling your kid to quiet down all at the same time. This world is completely absorbed with dollars. Our mushroom friends don't need to be part of it. We should be careful with what we have cause once its gone.....it's gone User_Name: Fishgod MessagesMatsiman, Thanks, I have been reading the links you posted and will continue to do so, there's a lot to absorb in there! I came to this forum to chat with fellow mushroom people and didn't take the the time to investigate the information your site has to offer, put the cart before the horse so to speek! From what I've read so far it appears there is still much to be learned and that's a good thing for all! User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFishgod, You need to do some more reading on this site. Most of the questions are answered on the site. Here is a link that is the beginning of the basics you see next to banner, top right. http://matsiman.com/introduction.htm
There is much more detailed info on a verity of matsutake needs in the http://matsiman.com/formalpubs/ecology_and_managemencovert.htm This is the Hosford pub I talked of earlier. Of all the pubs this one is the best to read to understand many aspects of matsi. Matsiman User_Name: Fishgod MessagesForgive me if I'm rambling on, just very interested in this subject of host trees and mushrooms because it baffles me and I'm sure others when you return to an awesome productive spot the next season to find "nothing". Happens with morels as well(natural patches, not fire morels) seems boletes are consistent no matter what User_Name: Fishgod MessagesIf larger trees did not supply moisture under ground surely saplings and small plants would die in months of dry weather. If I don't water my basil or tomato plants for even a week of hot, dry weather......they die! In return, the small plants and mushrooms and worms compost and feed the large trees.wow, what an amazing and perfect cycle! What if, due to environmental changes and challenges, polution etc.the trees need to work harder to produce oxygen and require more water and therefore cutting back even a little from giving moisture to the rest of the forest. Could this scenario account for mushroom production or lack thereof? User_Name: Fishgod MessagesThe link to forest farming must have been posted as I was writing and asking if you had success with tent type experiments. User_Name: Maron MessagesThe price for pine today in Randle is 16/16 User_Name: Fishgod MessagesVery interesting stuff! You mentioned, Matsiman that you tried something similar. Was there any success? Again.....many things in the writings and experiments point to the importance of host trees and root systems. Long and short of it seems no host roots, no matsutaki. Tree roots go deeper in the soil than anything else in the forest and collect water. The roots I believe are porous(correct me if I'm wrong please). It would only make sense in my opinion that the roots would not only collect moisture for the tree but also release moisture under the soil maybe once the tree has taken what it needs (supplies the needy organisms with water) hence "Eco system". Maybe the poor harvest years are more to do with a cycle with the trees rather than not enough rain etc. There were heated moments on the board regarding this very topic but I have to agree with the side of the debate which points to host trees providing moisture to mastutaki mushroom spores (and others) and that rain may not be so terribly important for a good mushroom season. My 2 cents! User_Name: Matsiman MessagesHere is a link to what I tried with tunnel. Didn't work. http://matsiman.com/forestfarming.htm User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFishgod, Here is what you are looking for. http://matsiman.com/formalpubs/images/pubecomanageplate8.JPG This is the page describing the use of the tunnels. There is a link in the text (plate 8) to the above pic. http://matsiman.com/formalpubs/chapter_1.htm The paragraph is near the bottom of the page. Tried something similar. Matsiman User_Name: Fishgod MessagesMatsiman, any thoughts on the Hiroshima tents that Lobo mentioned? User_Name: Fishgod MessagesJeez, hope I haven't started something. We may go in the bush to see giant tarps strewn about! Btw...... My new store is opening next week "Fishgod's tarps "R" us" lol! User_Name: Lobo MessagesFishgod; I recall seeing a photograph in 1995 of what was called a Hiroshima Tent used in Japan. It looked like a blue poly tarp placed over a frame, much like a small hot house. I believe the publication said it was used to induce fruiting but did not say how or why. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesWhen I was growing up had acquaintances who harvested mushrooms yes, the magic kind. They told me that they covered the ground where they harvested with big tarps and "sweated" them out of the ground. Has anyone ever heard of or tested such methods or were these just silly things that kids try? User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFishgod, good one on the dormant spore. I asked a PHD once the same question. Only I asked how can a dead patch get started again. I had no clue. He answered immediately. They leave a dormant spore behind that somehow starts when it's time. He wouldn't or couldn't explain further. Matsiman User_Name: Kootenaybrother MessagesBack yard patch, Pulled 1 lbs of hedgehogs(sweet tooth)for eating.The pine mush patch was 80% wormy but their must have been 35-40 pine mushrooms there this year with open tops spreading their spores a good thing, half dozen lobsters mushrooms are going into supper tonight , frost last night , still time for them shrooms yet but the window is closing.Supposed to go up to 20 celcius tommorow quite warm for this time of year!Going boat picking of the arrow lakes next week gonna hit Fosthall and see what we come across , not many Pickers using a boat this year should be interesting! User_Name: Fishgod MessagesMatsiman, Here's a thought. Could it be possible that spores are like eggs, having everything they need already built-in and just waiting for the right time to bloom. Kinda like those frogs who burrow underground and turn dormant until the right time comes to emerge. Might explain the seemingly "dead patches" you speek of. Perhaps the patches aren't dead but just laying dormant. User_Name: Shamrocky MessagesRoadside patch picking can be brutal. If I see cars a lot of times I will promptly turn the car around and leave for another area. Really my best patches are often a 1/2 hour to an hour walk from the car and I have them all to myself for the most part. Can really kink your neck, back and shoulders though trying to bring in a 50+ lbs harvest. Chanterelles can be highly lucrative if you work it right and find a better buyer who will pay higher. ($6 is the lowest I will go...take some pride in what you do, feel free to walk away from a bad deal...anything else is just a junky model of behavior). There are $200-$500 chanterelle days to be had in my area and it lasts well into November. Gas costs are negligible as it's really a close commute. I won't lie, it's hard picking and one hell of a work out, but it's consistent and nearly skunk-proof. Plus by covering ground for hours you are always likely to serendipitously stumble on other things, such as Cauliflower...which really if you think about it, would be fool's errand to go out looking for exclusively. We call it a "by catch", to borrow a term from the fishing industry. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesPete, Good point. Just as you say, it can be a good flush and not all patches flush. We also have patches in the study that haven't flushed in 15 years. We may get a mushroom or 2 from a few once in a while, but that's not a flush.
I think I know the years you are talking about. It was 95 and 97, I mentioned them before. Those are 2 of the years my info is based. They were also the best of 17 years evaluated. 97 was by far the best and I'm guessing it's the one you remember.
It was also a bumper year at the study. All we could do was tend the regular study patches and poke flags in mushrooms to locate new patches for future studies. We didn't have time to collect data on them and we doubled our work force. Even called in extra help. Many of those patches haven't popped since, not 1 mushroom.
The same thing happens here in CJ. There was a bumper crop in 92. I'm sure there are some Canadian pickers who remember that one. Good price, lots of mushrooms, not much competition. I haven't seen many of those patches pop since.
These are the 3 areas where my info originates. The Chemult area was 1 full section, Diamond Lake 16 acre and Cave Junction 400 acre.
Hope that gives you enough to decide if I was thorough enough.
Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter count 24 hours 481. Matsiman User_Name: wood crasher MessagesHow much you paying for yellow chentrlls User_Name: Pete MessagesIn a protected area is one thing and public picking area another. Pines don't flush the same all over. I don't know anything where you talked about, just actual quality of the pick above chemult and it's been closer to 15 years since a real good crop. User_Name: wild side Messagesanyone who supports wild fungi and its uses is doing something great to connect with nature. most folks in here are already connected but a lot of people in cities are unfortunately not. take the time out to share your experiences with those who are curious. we work at farmer markets and get all sorts of comments and interesting conversations when visitors see "Wild Mushrooms". Kootenay brother: Getting enough dried volume and selling at a high price to any buyer sounds great and thinking outside the box is a start. Count me in! let's get it going. I hear you about Nakusp being over populated now. The forest has shrunk considerably from logging and now there are way more harvestors. Yikes is what I felt when I rolled in but looking for new grounds 30 % of my time always helps with next visit. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesGot email from Carla!! Her husband is sick and she is recovering from surgery. She said she would drop in and say hi. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFis Fishgod, Congrads on the fish catch. I used to fish allot, but don't anymore.
I don't think rain caused a "Blow Out". Blow out is the description I use to describe extremely fast growth. I did some comparison of temperatures verses growth. The evaluation was limited to 2 seasons, but results seamed to indicate the difference from the nightly low and the daily high controlled growth. Also mushrooms, in a patch which got more sun, grew faster than the ones a foot or so away that didn't get as much sun. You can check out the charts on this page. http://matsiman.com/fruitgrow.htm It's funny, I also did a comparison of prices for #1 and temperature changes affecting growth. Price drops were on the days growth increased. We always sold early so there was no insight in volume for the evening. Led me to believe the brokers knew something about growth.
Rain may have an influence in growth rate, but I haven't been able to make the connection. The information available suggests rain is a conductor of temperatures. When temps warm, wet grown will distribute the warmth in the soils much better than dry soil. The same applies for cold.
Rain can certainly cause problems for mushrooms the same as temps. We all know of the negative effects of rain and beneficial effects. Most don't understand effects of temperature. Basically during growth, declining temps cause slow to no growth, High temps can slow growth or burn babies. Last, the difference between high and low seem to be the major influence.
You could be right about need to produce spore quickly out of necessity. Mother nature may tell them you are near the end of your life cycle, make some spore. It is certainly a possibility.
Another note on temps I learned from a season picker, John Getz. He said there is a delay in growth. Patches which get warmth in the morning, will have grown nearly as much as they will for the day by 11 AM to 1 PM. The same applies to afternoon sun. Best to pick them the next morning.
I tested his claim, and it worked.
Please don't hesitate to ask questions or make suggestions. I'll take care of hecklers. We all have something to add. The craziest idea could be the one to clarify some situation.
Matsiman User_Name: Fishgod MessagesHi All, Went fishing today and landed 2 chinook salmon(king salmon) each weighing around 20-25 pounds. Gave them to a couple of retired school principles who were fishing next to me but down on their fishing luck this day. Matsiman, don't want to bring up a heated debate on the board but must talk about the topic of "RAIN". Seems many folks on the board as of late were praying for rain as of late in hopes of a good crop in result. Here's my observation: My patch of Prince mushrooms was doing incredibly well until the rain came this evening. I was keeping a close eye on each and every button waiting for them to grow before harvesting them to fry and put in my belly however, very shortly after the rain began the immature buttons turned into flags! This may suggest that rain could be a mushroom enemy. Perhaps they flagged promptly to spore before they died even though they were tiny buttons. In my times of mushroom hunting(10 years) "rain" always seems to mess things up. My feeling is that temperature and sunlight play a much more important role with mushroom growth. User_Name: Matsiman Messagessteve from oregon, Only had the counter up a few days, but running about 500 in 24. I'm guessing about 200 actual visits. the rest are refresh. Sent Carla an email asking her to post. Matsiman User_Name: steve from oregon MessagesFISH how has the handmade furniture business been going? Again what's going on with Carla? User_Name: steve from oregon MessagesMatsiman what is the normal 24 hour hit count? User_Name: Kootenaybrother MessagesHeard a rumor that number 1 matsutake dehydrated , are going for 1000$ per kilo in Korea . True or bull? If only I spoke Korean sounds like a really good price ,I hop on a plane and deliver them myself at that price, opportunity knocks for thoses willing to think outside the box! Six bucks a pound , I'll eat them myself at that price! Doesn't even cover the gas bill! User_Name: Phantom picker MessagesCame out of the bush today and came across four fishermen from Ireland,we talked for a while and ended up telling them that we are picking mushrooms and the first thing that came out of there mouth was,( what magic mushrooms) lmao. The pines here are still 50% wormy and there isn't verry much them,Gota do a 12hr day just for 10lbs.Shanties are done combstooth as well but did find some nice jelly ears.going to take weekend off and see what pops up Monday.Im hopeing something new will be there but to tell you the truth it's not looking verry good we'll see. Good luck and be safe. User_Name: bruce MessagesDont get fool by the business bullshit the matsutake is the finest mushroom you can get and the most expensive except for the truffle. User_Name: Bruce MessagesBuying grade 1 for 6$ a pound and selling it for 55$ thats what some company(WWF) does. User_Name: SHROOMER MessagesPRICES IN TERRACE,fall again. 6 bucks today and some will be closed.....cost of food has raised so much,so should the mushrooms. who needs temporary foreign workers.locals are doing it for them...cheap labour...companies got you all over the barrel. how desperate are you...do what you gotta do I guess.this is why I/ll never change. hope you enjoy the costs of your outing .pickers picking up the tab...that's a pickers worse nite mare.coming home broke....enjoy your price fixing,challenges....6 bucks....wahoo ....enjoy the pick... User_Name: Mushroom Poet MessagesThe price in the Terrace and Nass area is dropping to a predicted $6 per pound this weekend. Pickers are bringing in some nice honkers but the worms are still getting in. I will pick around 140 pounds this weekend just because I love picking. Certainly not for the crappy price. User_Name: northern MessagesFry dont know what time you checked for depots to be open but they sure were when i checked! as for rain- it started in Terrace late last night here- it certainly has not been raining like you say. Accurate info is greatly appreciated on this board- some even take it as gospel. User_Name: Fry MessagesIt's just mushroom weather now, overcast, rain, much cooler temps... if there's any time for the pines to pop.. it's now.. Tried to do price check yesterday, but mushroom depote's were not open. It's been raining, sometimes pouring the last couple days in Terrace, with more in the forecast. Hopefully something's going to happen soon.. Good Luck, Full Buckets to all.. Happy Thanksgiving. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesDreads, Thanks for the update. As for Vern, I'm sure he is the best there is at picking and forecasting. I have no doubt as to his abilities. I do question his belief as to matsi fruit production, I tried to have a debate with him, but he ended up making personal accusations after completely getting off the subject. I investigated his claims based on genetic differences, and found he could be right. I then presented evidence which indicated he was incorrect and in came the trolls.
Read down this months messages and decide for yourself. I had to delete some.
I will say again, I have no doubt about Vern's abilities.
I would still welcome a debate with anyone as long as the focus is on the information, not the one presenting.
I hope this doesn't initiate another round of personal attacks. If so I will delete them. Matsiman User_Name: Northern picker MessagesHey terrace area, last time I sold, 3 days ago, it was 10 a pound for #1s. I'm done now. It went from 25-10 in 3 days. User_Name: Dreads MessagesHey man it's not a good season anywhere. I heard all about chemult and rumors of a big flush in Canada too but that's bs cause I got people there. You all may recall another poster here, Vern, who last spring, correctly predicted a challenging season this fall. I don't know how he does it but his predictions are the most accurate and he is legendary among those who know. The man is a living legend and if you can get in tight with him and his people you score. That is if there are mushrooms to be found. If they don't get them there are none to be had! User_Name: Matsiman MessagesPete, I took a look at the data from the study. It is on the west side not far from Diamond Lake. Usually seasons are the same as Eastside. Looks like 2007 was the last good year. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 24 Hour Count 529. Matsiman User_Name: Pete MessagesI went down to Chemult too and it wasn't worth it. Spent three days, mostly flagged out. The cost of the permit and gas makes it a total waste of time. And then the low price of pines. It sure isn't like it used to be there and has been many many years since they had a decent crop. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesSteve from oregon, Thanks for the link. It didn't work cause the entire link was not recognized by software used on this site. I have fixed. Looks to be a good source of current info. Didn't have time to check completely, but probably worth the time to read further. Matsiman User_Name: kootenaybrother MessagesPulled 170$ worth of pine and lobsters outta the bush, still paying 10 per pound for #1,Losters are 3 $ per pound .Lots of wormy shrooms out there, but the new flush is nice and tight.Heard the coast is very wormy,to the point where the buyers are not buying.Supposed to go up to 20 celcius,the season should still be happening for another couple of weeks. The buyers are not buying chanties a this point, there gettig old and water logged, although we found a few nice ones. Good day in the bush! User_Name: shroomgirl MessagesHey Fishgod. Yeah, I get that look all the time. It's amazing how many peoples' minds go automatically to magic mushrooms. LOL I just tell them NO, I pick the tasty kind. I am in Washington, so nope. Not just Canadians. (Hubby is from Canada, and this is all new to him also). Everyone get full buckets! I am afraid that I can't get out this weekend, unless a miracle happens. So I wish everyone else lots of luck!! User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesBesides I highly doubt that I will find someone in one of the remote areas I have found ;). And if I do they must be ambitious. Full buckets all. User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesI agree fish I try to look at it like mushrooms are starting to get the attention they deserve. And if new people are gonna get into it they should at least know what kind of environment and picking practices they need to survive and or thrive. User_Name: Steve from oregon MessagesHere is a link to the Oregon mushroom group on meet up. Oregon Mushroom Group On Meet Up . I believe Germany started it a few years ago but has since morphed. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesI'm kinda glad that most folks are not so interested in our hobby. It's nice to go harvesting without a "gong-show" situation. Solitude can at times be bliss! User_Name: Fishgod MessagesBill, Could be because the magic ones were quite popular when I was growing up here in B.C. Most people I know tried them at some point..... Except my Mom of coarse. On a serious note, I know of very few people my area(Vancouver) who harvest wild edibles. Perhaps everyone is too caught up in the rat-race User_Name: shroomer Messagesdragon,chaga is a winter pick....that fool that bought all that chaga..at the zoo.. words out,there are trees down all over, they cut the fuc/en tree to harvest...,,thats just crazy. you should research a little more. so you know,they do regrow in 4 to 6 yrs.use the proper equipment fools.....careful, there a lot of these wise guys out there. User_Name: Bill Bichen MessagesI think it weird people think you mean magic mushrooms, down here in Wa nobody has ever said like that to me. I guess the people here know about wild mushrooms and that there lots that are edible rather than just assume I have the funny kind. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesOl Gulch, That's hilarious! Glad it's confirmed that I'm not the only one. We could just begin the conversation with "what I am about to say to you has absolutely nothing to do with magic mushrooms" User_Name: terrace area Messagesanyone know prices in terrace for pines? User_Name: ol' gulch MessagesFishgod- oh do i ever know that look. I do farmers markets with my pickings and 2 cliche comments i get are; a reference to magic mushrooms, and a stern warning about how you have to be careful because someone or other died from mushroom poisoning once. I should just print out signs with responses to these and save myself a little breath. User_Name: Roofer MessagesHey just wanted to say chemult is a drag this year. for some reason a near bust. been here 2 wks making 30 50 bucks a day aint worth it. so we're leaving and calling it a year such as it was. hey bill - in the past war and epidemics wiped out people and kept the population in check. those still happen and earth can heal in time. I've thought about that before. one thing - the nuclear and chemical stuff would be a prob though and dams too. if people were more or less wiped out that is. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesShould have said "my fellow Canadians" as I am one. Wouldn't want them to think that brothers and sisters from parts unknown are picking on them lol! User_Name: Fishgod MessagesAnyone else notice that when you mention to people that you pick wild mushrooms they give you that "silly grin" and say "oh yeah, really?" Then you have to explain "no,not the magic kind but edible ones". Maybe it's just Canadians who respond this way, dunno! User_Name: Jeremy MessagesSorry, found it, didn't look hard enough.... my bad.. :-( User_Name: Jeremy MessagesMatsiman, when I looked on this board, I believe yesterday, there was a post with the name and contact info of a buyer in the Cowichan Lake area, do you know what happened to the post? Thanks. User_Name: Dragon MessagesAnyone buying chaga? User_Name: Dragon MessagesWhat's price for pines in terrace? User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFishgod, Yep you got the picture perfectly on both comments. Mushrooms likely have some treatment value and are mineral collectors, so probably are capable of containing trace elements. I won't comment on the money.
The challenge with medicinal claims is the variation of possible medicinal properties. It can vary because of genetic differences within species and each body acts different because of the bodies chemical differences person to person.
I have no doubt mushrooms do contain help for a variety of diseases. The problem is something that works for you may not work for me because of the above differences. Matsiman User_Name: Fishgod MessagesBill, Yes, the planet may be much better with less folks running around but it was you and I who made it this way.No one wishes to get sick or die or be without their loved ones and as a result man has formulated ways to combat disease. Natural selection in humans is pretty much a thing of the past at this point and population is an issue because of that. Unfortunately, if we only had 10% of the people we have now there would still be greed and corruption on the same "per capita" level. Guess we must do the best we can with what we have. Most people want the same things like happiness, wellness and a few mushrooms to pick! User_Name: Fishgod MessagesMatsiman, Thanks for the info. Wasn't aware that mushrooms have no nutritional value however, from what I have read they do seem to contain certain trace elements. Some folks suggest they may have medicinal properties when it comes to certain illnesses. It's difficult these days to trust much of the info out there......generally speaking much info is designed to grab our dollars or to decide how to advertise to, well.......grab our dollars lol! User_Name: Matsiman MessagesCounter 25 hour count 511. Matsiman User_Name: Pete MessagesI found some mushrooms yesterday but not enough to consider it a commercial flush, maybe in a week or two? Hey about bill's comment- There are those who plan on being sucked up into heaven in a space ship or whatever so it doesn't matter if the earth is destroyed. In fact some actually hope for it. The real crazies think their imaginary sky god wants them to ruin the earth cuz it doesn't matter. How insane is that? User_Name: Matsiman Messageskootenaybrother, I have asked in the past not to discuss Paul Stamets on this site. I have personal experience with the man and wouldn't believe most anything he says. That's my personal opinion from experience and conversations with a former partner of Paul's.
We have also had complaints on the board from multiple visitors complaining about his reliability. I suggest any visitor go to his site and decide for yourself. http://www.fungi.com/
Mushrooms my have medicinal value, but there is no science information that supports claims of medicinal value. John Holiday at Aloha Medicinal is conducting clinical tests to acquire information to support medicinal claims. All substance which make medicinal claims must go through this process before FDA will sanction these claims. The FDA allows them to be described as a dietary supplement same as vitamins, but not medicinal.
Let's not go to medicinal claims of mushrooms. There is no science based info to support claims, that I am aware of.
Sorry folks, but my feathers get ruffled when anything about that man is posted here. I'm sure other visitors who have had personal dealings with him feels the same. As I said there have been multiple complaints here.
Matsiman User_Name: Bill Bichen MessagesSorry bout the double comment. Btw I am not hoping for some disaster or wipe out, but consider the problems we face as a species if we don't get control of ourselves. Population and destruction wise. Eventual extinction is likely as well as destruction of the whole planet. User_Name: Bill Bichen MessagesI agree and just yesterday while surveying an area for early matsis I got to thinking the earth and the rest of the life on it, animals, plants, the oceans, etc would be much better off long term if the human population was reduced. Like a plague or pandemic that left maybe 10 percent. Think of how much better everything would be. For the survivors I mean. They rest of life on earth, not just humans. User_Name: kootenaybrother MessagesI highly recommend that video ! Very inspirational , what a concept , heal the planet rather than the dominate human philosphy of rape and pillage for dollar bills! Change is a coming you too can be a part of it ! Peace Out!! User_Name: kootenaybrother MessagesMushrooms have selium ,and an amazing fact, when you dry certain types of mushrooms in the sun their vitamin D content actually increases.Check out Paul Stamets , on ted talks how mushrooms can save the world.Do you really trust the FDA?Who paying them?Big Pharma! Let you be the judge! User_Name: Matsiman MessagesFishgod, As I understand, according to the FDA, Federal Food Administration, mushrooms contain no nutritional value. Matsiman User_Name: Matsiman Messagessome picker, I missed
your reference to moisture in message Date: Monday September 29, 2014 Time:
07:32 AM. Yes we did get off the
original discussion about moisture. However the original debate began with the importance of rain, not moisture.
All I can say about moisture is based on drying picked mushrooms. We were required to weight fresh, then dry and determine moisture content. We dried hundreds of mushrooms. Moisture content was 87 to 90% moisture. Doesn't really say how much is needed, just how much they contained.
I don't think there is much debate on moisture. They definitely need enough to contain this high percent of moisture. The real question is where do they get this moisture, or to be more specific, the original question was, is rain necessary to supply moisture? Can you have a good crop with little or no rain?
I will be achieving September messages in a few days. At that time I will summarize all postings related to genetics, stress and temperature discussions to a different page so visitors can follow the discussion easier.
If any visitor has more to add to any one of these categories, please do so.
Thanks, Matsiman User_Name: coreano MessagesGuys, I have left a msg on the other board saying I have found a cellphone while I was in the bush in Pemberton, BC. Its a LG cellphone. If you have lost it, please email me at namgilee604@hotmail.com. I want to give it back to you. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesFrom what I understand mushrooms of all types are not digestible. The body takes the nutrients and elements from them but they don't actually digest. I could be wrong and please correct me if that's the case. Matsiman, perhaps your feeling sick could be the inability to digest them.....just a thought User_Name: Lobo MessagesBack when I was taking summer classes at Ricks College, 1977 I believe. I took a class about the relationship between mushrooms, molds & man. We did field trips but I gave all my mushroom away and wouldn't eat any. It wasn't until I had a few more years under my belt and the masters studies, that I began doing my research on mushroom relationships and discovered how tasty some fungi could be. User_Name: Matsiman MessagesNope don't eat mushroom at all, except smoke chantie.
The last time I tried, was almost a month ago. The new data collectors at the study invited for dinner. We had picked some chantie after the study and they were excited to eat them.
Took two bites and that was all I could stand. Got sick latter, but that could have been too much Rolling Rock beer.
There was some well know English botanist or mycologist who studied mushrooms, and I think, couldn't taste or maybe it was smell.
Can't stand the taste. I pick when I can, and give them to friends, or anybody I can find to take them. For me it's the thrill of the hunt and being in the forest. Getting to know the habits of your "prey" and using that knowledge to find where they are. I kinda loose interest just picking patches I already know. Gotten pretty good with matsi, but not so good at others, in fact, not good at all. Matsiman User_Name: Scruff MessagesMatsiman, WHAT don't you eat mushrooms? User_Name: Boletus Joe MessagesWhats wrong with me.... When I worked on the water of all the people I worked with I was the only one that could swim. I find that there are not to many pickers (that I know) that eat Mushrooms. And Matsiman, the creator of this wonderful message board... admits to not eating mushrooms..... What is this world coming to. User_Name: Fiddlehead Heaven MessagesJust a quick note to ask if your #1 buttons are being downgraded to a #4 because of a single slug or bug bite, as is being done to pickers down here in Nova Scotia? Dwight In Nova Scotia User_Name: under MessagesHey kootnaybrother you should just shut up with your patches ,people will find them .lol :) User_Name: Kootenaybrother MessagesNice ideas people, My shrooms are still dehydrating , I'll give you some feed back soon , gonna hit some patches tomorrow in Nakusp,the picking should be good gonna hit some tough access patches Good luck all and have fun! User_Name: Fishgod MessagesMatsiman, Thanks! I am going to try your mushroom smoking idea. Bet smoked morels and boletes would be awesome as well! User_Name: Matsiman MessagesLobo, I quit making the seasoning over 7 years ago. Not that people didn't like. I told everybody how it was made, so now they make their own.
Didn't like the smoked matsi that much, but the smoked chantie is great, even though I don't eat mushrooms of any kind. I still pick and make smoked chantie, but just give it to friends. I feel obligated cause I got them addicted. People use it on everything from salad to steak. It's easy make. Smoke dry them with any wood you like. Doesn't seem to be a preference in wood used. Some smoke for a few hours, then put in dehydrator or dry on screen. Make powder in blender. Matsiman User_Name: porky MessagesThere is a buyer named Mike in Lake Cowichan at 7995 Greendale rd. He is now open buying everything. His number is (250) 710-4427 User_Name: northerntour MessagesHi Fishgod, Yes, I can view the photos you post online. Thank you for sharing. User_Name: Matsiman Messages22 Hour Count 479 User_Name: Matsiman MessagesSteve from oregon, Please do post link to other mushroom board. Other visitors here might want take a look. Matsiman User_Name: JDS MessagesSteve from Oregon...What is the website you mentioned posting on? You said something about "meet up" but that doesn't mean anything to me. Please give the address...I'd like to check it out. Thanks. User_Name: Fishgod MessagesLily, Any lobsters? User_Name: Fishgod MessagesLily, Fred will be in town in a week or so. He will be set up at skinny's grill parking lot in silver creek. If you look back in the postings I put his phone number up. Hope this helps! |
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